Re: U.S. health care

2007-07-13 Thread William T Goodall
On 13 Jul 2007, at 04:01, Dan Minette wrote: > > Governments could step in, but in countries with price > controls/negotiations...they haven't. Instead, they rely on the US > providing the profits that pay for innovation, then negotiate a > price for > themselves. It's not rock bottom, but tha

Re: U.S. health care

2007-07-13 Thread Charlie Bell
On 13/07/2007, at 1:01 PM, Dan Minette wrote: > of GDP. If everyone were to get the care available to those with > the very > best insurance policiesthen it would probably jump to 20% or > so...immediately (That assumes that the health care denied by > reasons of > costs represents only

RE: U.S. health care

2007-07-13 Thread Dan Minette
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of jon louis mann > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:03 AM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: U.S. health care > > > it that is the dynamic, dan, then anerica is sunsidizing the rest of > the world, whi

U.S. health care

2007-07-13 Thread jon louis mann
> if that is the dynamic, dan, then anerica is subsidizing the rest of > the world, which would be justice. If you are talking about Sub-Sahara Africa, and other third world countries, I would certainly favor ways of lowering the cost of drugs in those countries. But, I don't think we need to s

RE: U.S. health care

2007-07-13 Thread Dan Minette
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Charlie Bell > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:55 AM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: U.S. health care > > That assumes you keep providing care the way you do. > > Increase preventative medi

RE: U.S. health care

2007-07-13 Thread Dan Minette
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of jon louis mann > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:23 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: U.S. health care > > > if that is the dynamic, dan, then anerica is subsidizing the rest of > > the world, w

U.S. health care

2007-07-13 Thread jon louis mann
dan, are you certain only 15% of americans lack health care coverage? i agree that this does not represent the majority of health care costs. do you believe a single payer system would reduce costs effectively? http://www.pnhp.org/facts/why_the_us_needs_a_single_payer_health_system.php i agree tha

U.S. health care

2007-07-13 Thread jon louis mann
Huh? That's not how it works. dan, i'm confused i realize that it doesn't work that way in other countries, but are you defending the way it works in america, or denying that lobbies have enormous influence in congress? i realize there are costs in creating new drugs and marketing them. do yo

RE: U.S. health care

2007-07-13 Thread Dan Minette
> dan, i'm confused i realize that it doesn't work that way in other > countries, but are you defending the way it works in america, or > denying that lobbies have enormous influence in congress? Lobbies do have an influence in Congress, and changes that they oppose are often beneficial. However,

RE: U.S. health care

2007-07-13 Thread Dan Minette
> Lobbies do have an influence in Congress, and changes that they oppose are > often beneficial. However, getting rid of the lobbies does not get rid of > the fundamentals of the problem. If you take the profitability out of > drug > development by private companies, you will stop private drug d

RE: U.S. health care

2007-07-13 Thread Dan Minette
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of jon louis mann > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 3:26 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: U.S. health care > > dan, are you certain only 15% of americans lack health care coverage? The number's I've

Re: U.S. health care

2007-07-13 Thread Charlie Bell
On 14/07/2007, at 4:04 AM, Dan Minette wrote: >> > >> That assumes you keep providing care the way you do. >> >> Increase preventative medicine and primary nursing, and you reduce >> other healthcare threefold. > > How? ...because hospital stays reduce and recovery times increase. Good prevent