Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-12 Thread Julia Randolph
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:18:27 +0100, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Aug 2004, at 8:02 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: However you seem to have proved me wrong. It's nice you can admit that. There are some people on this list who would argue black was white rather than admit

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-12 Thread Deborah Harrell
Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The case of Rev. Beth Stroud: http://www.bethstroud.info/case.shtml Case news. Other stuff on the site as well. Her writing on her faith and decision to 'come out' was clear and brave. How important her faith is to her may help others see

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-10 Thread Travis Edmunds
] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:26:45 +0100 On 6 Aug 2004, at 6:24 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: Sick gobbledygook. You do yourself, the position you espouse, and the rest of your ilk a great disservice

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-10 Thread William T Goodall
On 10 Aug 2004, at 8:02 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: However you seem to have proved me wrong. It's nice you can admit that. There are some people on this list who would argue black was white rather than admit they were mistaken about anything... -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-09 Thread Deborah Harrell
Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] A quick answer focusing on one point. wry Then what do you make of the 1 Timothy verses above? Was he having a bad day? Seriously, it is well established among serious scholars that Paul didn't write

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-07 Thread William T Goodall
On 7 Aug 2004, at 2:42 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:00 PM 8/6/04, William T Goodall wrote: A plane is a carpenter's tool, and the Boeing 737 is a plane, hence the Boeing 737 is a carpenter's tool. As is a good Christian . . . Not just Christians - I'd say the follower of any religion is a

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-07 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 03:50 AM 8/7/04, William T Goodall wrote: On 7 Aug 2004, at 2:42 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:00 PM 8/6/04, William T Goodall wrote: A plane is a carpenter's tool, and the Boeing 737 is a plane, hence the Boeing 737 is a carpenter's tool. As is a good Christian . . . Not just Christians

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:28 PM 8/5/04, Dan Minette wrote: I missed covering this earlier. Several things gradually changed my self-acknowledged status; I've previously mentioned the issue of belief as a Gift, and my inability to accept that Belief is in itself a Grace or Gift, because that means that God

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 06:47 PM 8/5/04, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women Dan Minette wrote: So, might I suggest

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-06 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:34:54 +0100 On 5 Aug 2004, at 8:28 pm, Dan Minette wrote: I understand

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-06 Thread William T Goodall
On 6 Aug 2004, at 6:24 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: Sick gobbledygook. You do yourself, the position you espouse, and the rest of your ilk a great disservice by broadcasting such an idiosyncratic predilection towards that which you so conspicuously abhor. In fact, your words are so laden with the

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women On 6 Aug 2004, at 6:24 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: Sick gobbledygook. You

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-06 Thread William T Goodall
On 7 Aug 2004, at 12:15 am, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 6 Aug 2004, at 6:24 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: For a fundamentalist is a fundamentalist is a fundamentalist! Whether they be religious or secular... Main Entry:

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women Exactly. If someone says they believe in X because they believe in X, then I can

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-05 Thread Dan Minette
I missed covering this earlier. Several things gradually changed my self-acknowledged status; I've previously mentioned the issue of belief as a Gift, and my inability to accept that Belief is in itself a Grace or Gift, because that means that God withheld that Gift from some of my

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-05 Thread William T Goodall
On 5 Aug 2004, at 8:28 pm, Dan Minette wrote: I missed covering this earlier. Several things gradually changed my self-acknowledged status; I've previously mentioned the issue of belief as a Gift, and my inability to accept that Belief is in itself a Grace or Gift, because that means that God

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-05 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 5, 2004, at 3:34 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Not having Belief is like not having Alzheimer's - a great good. Why on earth would you wish a crippling brain-illness on anyone you liked? The condition you describe is very like the knee-jerk reaction of some atheists. Please find a new

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: So, might I suggest that, if you went to a church which had a woman pastor, you would have been far more likely to accept women as pastors? Or if you'd gone to a church with a lesbian pastor, would you be more likely to accept lesbians as pastors? Julia

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women Dan Minette wrote: So, might I suggest that, if you went to a church which had

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-05 Thread William T Goodall
On 6 Aug 2004, at 12:16 am, Dave Land wrote: On Aug 5, 2004, at 3:34 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Not having Belief is like not having Alzheimer's - a great good. Why on earth would you wish a crippling brain-illness on anyone you liked? The condition you describe is very like the knee-jerk

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women On Aug 5, 2004, at 3:34 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Not having Belief is like

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-05 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women Dan Minette wrote: So, might I suggest that, if you went to a church which had

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 07:16:32PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: Or if you'd gone to a church with a Athiest pastor, would you be more likely to accept Athiests as pastors? Or if you'd gone to church with a pigeon pastor, would you be more likely to accept pigeons as pastors?

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women Dan Minette wrote: So, might I suggest that, if you

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Julia Thompson wrote: Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women Dan Minette wrote