The Book of Enoch (was: Creationism [was: First Pluto is not a planet, and now . . . .])

2010-08-04 Thread Max Battcher
On 08/03/2010 02:07 PM, Dan Minette wrote: I think that Enoch was a monotheistic Jew. Most of the common understanding of the devil comes from Enoch. Indeed, in the book of Jude, Enoch was quoted as scripture. Spinning back, somewhat, towards the topic of this list: the Book(s) of Enoch keep

RE: Creationism [was: First Pluto is not a planet, and now . . . .]

2010-08-03 Thread Dan Minette
>> So God needs to use entrapment? >Heh. I just report 'em. I don't make 'em up. This is the sort of >thing that makes me a very liberal Christian. In defense of the Jews of about 400 BCE to 200 BCE their theology was actually a bit different than the characterization of it by folks who haven't s

Re: Creationism [was: First Pluto is not a planet, and now . . . .]

2010-08-03 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 3, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 04/08/2010, at 3:48 AM, Dave Land wrote: Then again, there's the Jewish tradition that "The Satan" isn't an embodiment of pure evil or some bad dude in red pajamas with a goatee and a pitchfork, but is, in fact, the "prosecuting angel", whose

Re: Creationism [was: First Pluto is not a planet, and now . . . .]

2010-08-03 Thread Charlie Bell
On 04/08/2010, at 3:48 AM, Dave Land wrote: > > Then again, there's the Jewish tradition that "The Satan" isn't > an embodiment of pure evil or some bad dude in red pajamas with a > goatee and a pitchfork, but is, in fact, the "prosecuting angel", > whose role is to find out whether believers are

Re: Creationism [was: First Pluto is not a planet, and now . . . .]

2010-08-03 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Aug 3, 2010, at 4:00 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 3 Aug 2010, at 19:35, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Dave Land wrote: The idea that Christianity or Judaism believe that the devil is a separate but (thankfully, not quite) equal power to God is nonsense: it goes ag

Re: Creationism [was: First Pluto is not a planet, and now . . . .]

2010-08-03 Thread William T Goodall
On 3 Aug 2010, at 19:35, Bruce Bostwick wrote: > On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Dave Land wrote: > >> The idea that Christianity or Judaism believe that the devil is >> a separate but (thankfully, not quite) equal power to God is >> nonsense: it goes against the whole idea of monotheism. You can >

Re: Creationism [was: First Pluto is not a planet, and now . . . .]

2010-08-03 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Dave Land wrote: The idea that Christianity or Judaism believe that the devil is a separate but (thankfully, not quite) equal power to God is nonsense: it goes against the whole idea of monotheism. You can accept or not accept the monotheistic God of Judeo-Christiani

RE: Creationism [was: First Pluto is not a planet, and now . . . .]

2010-08-03 Thread Dan Minette
>The idea that Christianity or Judaism believe that the devil is >a separate but (thankfully, not quite) equal power to God is >nonsense: it goes against the whole idea of monotheism. You can >accept or not accept the monotheistic God of Judeo-Christianity >as you see fit, but you can't accept it

Re: Creationism [was: First Pluto is not a planet, and now . . . .]

2010-08-03 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 3, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Nick Arnett wrote: There can't be too many different species, Noah's Ark wasn't big enough to carry them all! What, evolution stopped with the Ark? As long as we're on that subject, it dawned on me a while ago that the trouble I have wit

Creationism [was: First Pluto is not a planet, and now . . . .]

2010-08-03 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Nick Arnett wrote: > >> There can't be too many different species, Noah's Ark wasn't >> big enough to carry them all! > > What, evolution stopped with the Ark? > > As long as we're on that subject, it dawned on me a while ago > that the trouble I have with creationists is that they believe >