Ronn wrote:
> >I thought the "sugar-based" aliens story was by Ray Bradbury, but its
been
> >so long since I read it, I'm not sure.
>
>
> Nope. Asimov. One of his many stories in the shaggy-dog genre.
>
>
> -- Ronn! :)
>
Which collection?
George A
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On Oct 2, 2004, at 3:41 PM, JDG wrote:
At 08:19 AM 8/25/2004 -0700 Nick Arnett wrote:
Doesn't science fiction require *fictitious* science, i.e., stuff that
hasn't been discovered/invented yet?
This would eliminate novels like _Alas, Babylon_, _On the Beach_, and
_A
Canticle for Leibowitz_ - which
At 05:55 AM Monday 10/4/04, G. D. Akin wrote:
JDG wrote (belatedly):
> At 08:19 AM 8/25/2004 -0700 Nick Arnett wrote:
> >Doesn't science fiction require *fictitious* science, i.e., stuff that
> >hasn't been discovered/invented yet?
>
> This would eliminate novels like _Alas, Babylon_, _On the Beach
JDG wrote (belatedly):
> At 08:19 AM 8/25/2004 -0700 Nick Arnett wrote:
> >Doesn't science fiction require *fictitious* science, i.e., stuff that
> >hasn't been discovered/invented yet?
>
> This would eliminate novels like _Alas, Babylon_, _On the Beach_, and _A
> Canticle for Leibowitz_ - which I
> Behalf Of JDG
>
> I guess the first question that would need to be answered is, does
> speculative fiction exist as a separate genre for or as a
> subset genre of science fiction.
I have always considered speculative fiction to be a super-set of
science fiction. It encompases science fiction
At 06:08 PM 8/25/2004 +0900 G. D. Akin wrote:
>Erik Reuter asked:
>
>> > So, Stranger in a Strange Land is not Science Fiction?
>>
>> I don't remember any science. Do you?
>
>-
>
>They got to Mars and back in a spaceship. There are Aliens. SF in its
>simplists form.
I don't think
At 08:19 AM 8/25/2004 -0700 Nick Arnett wrote:
>Doesn't science fiction require *fictitious* science, i.e., stuff that
>hasn't been discovered/invented yet?
This would eliminate novels like _Alas, Babylon_, _On the Beach_, and _A
Canticle for Leibowitz_ - which I would be uncomfortable with.
I g
Bryon Daly wrote:
...But for the surveilance one: sure, something like that hasn't been
implemented , but I think most of the technology building
blocks are in place and it would only be a matter of scaling up from
there: small steps, not leaps.
Web cams?
Sonja
GCU: one liner
_
Damon Agretto wrote:
> Ohhh I dunno about that either, considering the
> culture has a real tech-fetish (seems like a lot of
> asian cultures do...the Koreans and Chinese seem to
> have it too). It may be that the only stuff that's
> been out lately has that "SF-Fantasy" bend, but then
> if you'
> From: Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Damon Agretto wrote:
> >
> >> Star Wars is "Science-Fantasy", like Japanese Anime.
> >> It's up to you
> >> to consider it SF or Fantasy or both.
> >
> > Not all anime I would classify as "Science-fantasty."
> >
> Ok, but _in general_, Anime has el
> From: G. D. Akin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> Environmental/ecological issues.
>
> Read it. Scarier than Stephen King (IMO), but the monsters are human.
All real monsters are human.
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:29:14 -0500, Horn, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Wouldn't those last 2 be a *bit* more than extrapolations and fit
> the definition of fictional science. The fact is that the
> technology doesn't exist to create a publicly accessible 24-hour
> surveilance system or to
> I think people are perhaps feeling a bit gun shy
> right now to uncork
> that bottle...
As the old saying goes fortune favors the bold (or was
that foolish???)...
Damon :)
=
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> Behalf Of Bryon Daly
>
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:19:47 -0700, Nick Arnett
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Doesn't science fiction require *fictitious* science, i.e.,
> stuff that
> > hasn't been discovered/invented yet?
>
> I don't think so. You can take currently existing science and/or
> t
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:28:01 -0700 (PDT), Damon Agretto
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It's too bad that none of us personally know an
> > established SF writer
> > who could offer an opinion on this obviously burning
> > issue.
>
> Yeah where could we find one of those...?
I think people are per
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:19:47 -0700, Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Doesn't science fiction require *fictitious* science, i.e., stuff that
> hasn't been discovered/invented yet?
I don't think so. You can take currently existing science and/or
technology, make
some extrapolations, and wri
I think this might qualify as SF:
http://halfpasthuman.com/
Found it while looking at linguistic analysis stuff... which it is, sorta.
Nick
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> Ok, but _in general_, Anime has elements of Fantasy
> and
> Science Fiction. Probably because Japanese culture
> doesn't
> see much difference between magic and science.
Ohhh I dunno about that either, considering the
culture has a real tech-fetish (seems like a lot of
asian cultures do...the Ko
> It's too bad that none of us personally know an
> established SF writer
> who could offer an opinion on this obviously burning
> issue.
Yeah where could we find one of those...?
Damon :P
=
Damon Agretto
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On 25 Aug 2004, at 4:59 pm, Dave Land wrote:
It's too bad that none of us personally know an established SF writer
who could offer an opinion on this obviously burning issue.
I would guess that the membership of the SFWA has a wider range of
opinions on the subject than has been expressed here s
Nick Arnett wrote:
>
> Doesn't science fiction require *fictitious* science, i.e., stuff that
> hasn't been discovered/invented yet?
>
No. There is alternate history, for example.
Alberto Monteiro
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Damon Agretto wrote:
>
>> Star Wars is "Science-Fantasy", like Japanese Anime.
>> It's up to you
>> to consider it SF or Fantasy or both.
>
> Not all anime I would classify as "Science-fantasty."
>
Ok, but _in general_, Anime has elements of Fantasy and
Science Fiction. Probably because Japanese cu
On Aug 25, 2004, at 8:19 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
Doesn't science fiction require *fictitious* science, i.e., stuff that
hasn't been discovered/invented yet?
While it probably doesn't /require/ fictitious science, it certainly is
a common element in the genre, or at least it is better tolerated tha
On 25 Aug 2004, at 4:19 pm, Nick Arnett wrote:
Doesn't science fiction require *fictitious* science, i.e., stuff that
hasn't been discovered/invented yet?
No. Fictitious technology maybe, but not science. I mean it *could*
have fictitious science, but it doesn't require it.
Pre-1969 moon-landing
Doesn't science fiction require *fictitious* science, i.e., stuff that
hasn't been discovered/invented yet?
Nick
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> Star Wars is "Science-Fantasy", like Japanese Anime.
> It's up to you
> to consider it SF or Fantasy or both.
Not all anime I would classify as "Science-fantasty."
One title that comes immediately to mind that's more
"Science-Fictiony" is Ghost in the Shell...
Damon.
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G. D. Akin wrote:
>
> I think you're correct, not cut and dried at all. I've heard arguments
> that Start Wars is Fantasy just because of the "Force."
>
Star Wars is "Science-Fantasy", like Japanese Anime. It's up to you
to consider it SF or Fantasy or both.
Alberto Monteiro
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ed in definitions of
sf. The obvious problem with defining sf as being stories incorporating
some of {list of furniture} is that when a writer writes a story about
some new piece of furniture (nanotechnology or such) it isn't sf since
it isn't on the list! And adding it to the list requires u
From: William T Goodall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>On 24 Aug 2004, at 12:45 pm, G. D. Akin wrote:
>> On another list a few months, we were discussing Margaret Atwood's "The
>> Handmaid's Tale"
snip
> My question is this: what makes a book/story SF?
>
> Any definitions appreciated.
Forced to
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From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: Definition of SF
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 06:08:54PM +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
&g
On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 06:08:54PM +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
> Erik Reuter asked:
>
> > > So, Stranger in a Strange Land is not Science Fiction?
> >
> > I don't remember any science. Do you?
>
> -
>
> They got to Mars and back in a spaceship.
How is that science? It could have be
Dan Minette wrote:
>
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> From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Definition of SF
>
>
> > On Tue, Aug
Dan Minette wrote:
> Nope, but it (Stranger) is generally considered to be a classic work of
science
> fiction. That's why I think the definition of SF isn't all that cut and
> dried.
>
> Dan M.
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Erik Reuter asked:
> > So, Stranger in a Strange Land is not Science Fiction?
>
> I don't remember any science. Do you?
-
They got to Mars and back in a spaceship. There are Aliens. SF in its
simplists form.
George A
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Erik Reuter wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:44:51PM -0400, Bryon Daly wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:03:39 -0400, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:45:57PM +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
> > >
> > > > My question is this: what makes a book/story SF?
> > >
> >
Bryon Daly wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:03:39 -0400, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:45:57PM +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
> >
> > > My question is this: what makes a book/story SF?
> >
> > Simple. It should be fiction, and it should involve science or something
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 06:44:51PM +, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
> Erik Reuter wrote:
> >
> >> My question is this: what makes a book/story SF?
> >
> > Simple. It should be fiction, and it should involve science or something
> > related to science in some major or minor way!
> >
> _Everything_ in
Erik Reuter wrote:
>
>> My question is this: what makes a book/story SF?
>
> Simple. It should be fiction, and it should involve science or something
> related to science in some major or minor way!
>
_Everything_ involves science or something related to science.
A friend of mine once defined SF
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 11:28:11PM +0100, William T Goodall wrote:
> A definition that excludes most published science fiction. Including
> much Hugo and Nebula winning material and the entire works of several
> major sf writers such as Jack Vance, Ursula K Le Guin, Philip K Dick,
> Lois McMaster
William T Goodall wrote:
>
> A definition that excludes most published science fiction. Including
> much Hugo and Nebula winning material and the entire works of
> several major sf writers such as Jack Vance, Ursula K Le Guin,
> Philip K Dick, Lois McMaster Bujold, C J Cherryh, Michael Moo
On 24 Aug 2004, at 10:54 pm, Dan Minette wrote:
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Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: Definition of SF
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On 24 Aug 2004, at 10:31 pm, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:21:01PM +0100, William T Goodall wrote:
A definition that excludes most published science fiction. Including
much Hugo and Nebula wining material and the entire works of several
major sf writers...
Bzzzt, nope. Play again?
A
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 04:54:04PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
> Doing a bit of research, I see that it won the 1962 Hugo award for
> best science fiction.
Bad year for science fiction, 1962.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: Definition of SF
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 04:09:42PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
>
>
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:21:01PM +0100, William T Goodall wrote:
> A definition that excludes most published science fiction. Including
> much Hugo and Nebula wining material and the entire works of several
> major sf writers...
Bzzzt, nope. Play again?
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Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:08 PM
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> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 04:09:42PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
>
>
On 24 Aug 2004, at 10:09 pm, Dan Minette wrote:
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Subject: Re: Definition of SF
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 02:27:16PM -0400, Bryon Daly wrote:
>
&g
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 04:09:42PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
> So, Stranger in a Strange Land is not Science Fiction?
I don't remember any science. Do you?
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On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 02:27:16PM -0400, Bryon Daly wrote:
> Nuclear war. IIRC, there's not much detail/specifics on the war
> itself or the exact cause of widespread infertility beyond that.
In that case, I'd exclude it from science fiction. For it to be science
fiction, there should be at lea
On Aug 24, 2004, at 11:27 AM, Bryon Daly wrote:
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On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:44:51PM -0400, Bryon Daly wrote:
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:03:39 -0400, Erik Reuter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:45:57PM +090
On Aug 24, 2004, at 9:44 AM, Bryon Daly wrote:
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:03:39 -0400, Erik Reuter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:45:57PM +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
My question is this: what makes a book/story SF?
Simple. It should be fiction, and it should involve science or
som
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:13:13 -0400, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:44:51PM -0400, Bryon Daly wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:03:39 -0400, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:45:57PM +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
> > >
> > > > My
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:44:51PM -0400, Bryon Daly wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:03:39 -0400, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:45:57PM +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
> >
> > > My question is this: what makes a book/story SF?
> >
> > Simple. It should be fiction,
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:03:39 -0400, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:45:57PM +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
>
> > My question is this: what makes a book/story SF?
>
> Simple. It should be fiction, and it should involve science or something
> related to science in some
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:45:57PM +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
> My question is this: what makes a book/story SF?
Simple. It should be fiction, and it should involve science or something
related to science in some major or minor way!
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On 24 Aug 2004, at 12:45 pm, G. D. Akin wrote:
On another list a few months, we were discussing Margaret Atwood's "The
Handmaid's Tale"
and "Oryx and Crake". Someone mentioned that Ms Atwood was adamant
about
her works being NOT Science Fiction (apparently, if they are mainstream
novels, they sel
On another list a few months, we were discussing Margaret Atwood's "The
Handmaid's Tale"
and "Oryx and Crake". Someone mentioned that Ms Atwood was adamant about
her works being NOT Science Fiction (apparently, if they are mainstream
novels, they sell better))
One member disagreed and even of
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