On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:47 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
On 22 Dec 2005, at 7:07 pm, Dave Land wrote:
Western cultures equate truth with factuality. Nonetheless, myths,
legends and other _stories_ have tremendous truth-value despite
their being possibly apocryphal and sometimes provably unfac
Robert wrote:
All quotes of the CHB article unfortunately.
That is a problem with blogs. The way they quote each other
constantly, while often handy as helps to find news, is a bit
incestuous.
So when Woodward and Bernstien broke the Watergate stuff and all the other
newspapers printed their
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From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Defeat in Victory
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:30:07 -0600, Robert Seeberger
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
Dave Land wrote:
>
> Whereas Oil-polluting, Amazon-destroying Brazil is a model for
> the rest of the world :-b.
>
Yes! Why keep the useless Amazon if we don't get paid for it?
Let's burn it all and make a huge parking lot!
But I deny the accusation of oil-polluting! Oil is Good, all other
energy
On 22 Dec 2005, at 7:07 pm, Dave Land wrote:
This brings to mind the relationship between factuality and truth.
I've been thinking about it in the context of Christianity and
Biblical interpretation, but it obviously applies well beyond that
narrow context.
Western cultures equate trut
On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Dave Land wrote:
The story about how George Washington "chopped down a cherry tree
and did not tell a lie" is a _founder's_myth_ that is accepted as
_true_, even if it is probably not factual. It tells us something
about George Washingt
Dave Land wrote:
>
> The story about how George Washington "chopped down a cherry tree
> and did not tell a lie" is a _founder's_myth_ that is accepted as
> _true_, even if it is probably not factual. It tells us something
> about George Washington and what we like to think about ourselves
On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:08 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:30:07 -0600, Robert Seeberger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
But only reported through one source (AFAICT), hence the disclaimer.
It would bear a lot more credence if the same story were being told
via at least one other i
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:30:07 -0600, Robert Seeberger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
But only reported through one source (AFAICT), hence the disclaimer.
It would bear a lot more credence if the same story were being told
via at least one other independent source.
xponent
Carefully Maru
rob
Don'
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From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:11 AM
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> Robert wrote:
>
>> It is not something substantiated.
>> The quote comes
Robert wrote:
It is not something substantiated.
The quote comes from an unnamed source who purportedly heard it in a
WH staffing meeting and subsequently blogged.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml
IMO, it should be noted, but not passed along as fact.
The guy w
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From: "Steve Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:34 PM
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> Doug Pensinger wrote:
>
> > These are the kinds of things that characterize the
Doug Pensinger wrote:
> These are the kinds of things that characterize the President;
> reckless disregard for the law. We hear about a man that calls
> the principals that have built this nation and to some extent
> have made the world what it is today "a goddamned piece of paper"
What is the
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From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:58 AM
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From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Defeat in Victory
> Dan Minette wrote:
> >
> > OK. The idea that we went to war in Iraq in
Dan Minette wrote:
>
> OK. The idea that we went to war in Iraq in order to make money for
> oil companies is centralist?
>
Is this the official list position? I think it is:
The USA went to war in Iraq to protect the interests of the
Saudi Princes
and that oil companies [including Petrobr
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From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:35 PM
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>
> It's not all about you Dan!
> I was suggesting that perhaps you are miss
Robert Seeberger wrote:
From where I'm viewing, a corner seems to have been turned in recent
months and "most" people in the US share opinions that are more
leftish than they were over the last few years.
Arguably the true American center has always been more to the left than
right.
--
--Ma
Dan wrote:
It might aid my understanding to see the issues on which you are more
conservative than most Americans. If you are in the middle, wouldn't it
be 50-50?
I said I was moderate on most issues, in fact I know we agree on many
issues. Perhaps that is why it is frustrating me that yo
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Robert wrote:
http://www.pollingreports.com ?
Try it without the s
http://www.pollingreport.com
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From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:05 PM
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> Dan wrote:
>
> > Indeed, from my perspective, most of the political posts here
Dan Minette wrote:
> Indeed, from my perspective, most of the political posts here
> that are not my own, over the last few months, fit reasonably
> well into the Michael Moore wing of the Democratic party.
Badly researched, misleading and inaccurate? :)
Ritu
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Dan wrote:
Indeed, from my perspective, most of the political posts here that are
not my own, over the last few months, fit reasonably well into the
Michael
Moore wing of the Democratic party.
That may seem true from your perspective, Dan, an oil industry
professional living in the heart o
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From: "Andrew Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 7:57 AM
Subject: Defeat in Victory
>I hate how terrorism and the war in Iraq have come to dominate debate
>so. I notice that Gautam and JDG rarely post these days, an
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 10:10 AM Sunday 12/4/2005, Julia Thompson wrote:
I'm not going to jump into the Iraq debate except to ask for
clarifications. I have too many other things
Would that number be "3"?
Well, after Dan's outpatient procedure on Tuesday, it was more like "4"
for a
At 10:10 AM Sunday 12/4/2005, Julia Thompson wrote:
Doug Pensinger wrote:
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:57:22 +1100, Andrew Paul
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I hate how terrorism and the war in Iraq have come to dominate debate
so. I notice that Gautam and JDG rarely post these days, and there is
no-on
At 09:53 AM Sunday 12/4/2005, Doug Pensinger wrote:
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:57:22 +1100, Andrew Paul
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I hate how terrorism and the war in Iraq have come to dominate debate
so. I notice that Gautam and JDG rarely post these days, and there is
no-one to staunchly dispute
> On Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
>
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:57:22 +1100, Andrew Paul
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > I hate how terrorism and the war in Iraq have come to dominate
debate
> > so. I notice that Gautam and JDG rarely post these days, and there
is
> > no-one to staunchly dispute the c
Doug Pensinger wrote:
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:57:22 +1100, Andrew Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I hate how terrorism and the war in Iraq have come to dominate debate
so. I notice that Gautam and JDG rarely post these days, and there is
no-one to staunchly dispute the centrist viewpoints we all
Andrew Paul wrote:
> I hate how terrorism and the war in Iraq have come to dominate
> debate
> so. I notice that Gautam and JDG rarely post these days, and there
> is
> no-one to staunchly dispute the centrist viewpoints we all seem to
> espouse (Dan excepted). There is no right answer, we surely
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:57:22 +1100, Andrew Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I hate how terrorism and the war in Iraq have come to dominate debate
so. I notice that Gautam and JDG rarely post these days, and there is
no-one to staunchly dispute the centrist viewpoints we all seem to
espouse (Dan e
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