Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
"Ronn! Blankenship" wrote: > At 12:17 AM 11/26/02 -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: > > >Well, if you define "theocracy" to include the above, then you simply have > >created the new problem of defining the word that distinguishes the > >viewpoint of desiring an immediate and earthly theocracy from a

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 12:17 AM 11/26/02 -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: At 08:57 PM 11/24/2002 -0600 Ronald Blankenship wrote: >> >[1] Just rebutting your 'beyond ludicrous' without claiming that >massacring >> >the heathen/infidel/non-believer is the normal pattern of theocracies. >> >> But isn't correlating religion

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 02:49 PM 11/25/2002 -0600 The Fool wrote: >> What percentage of muslims advocate theocracy? None of the ones I've >> run into (admittedly, a very small sample) were interested in such. > >It's an islamic teaching. Wherever the evil of islam has gained a >toehold, islamic shariah has sprung up

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 01:32 PM 11/25/2002 -0600 The Fool wrote: >There are perhaps two major (and several tiny) christian sects [True >Belivers] that hold pacifist views. > The Amish. > The Jehovah Witness's Well, the Catholic Church has nearly become pacificistic in recent centuries. Pacifism is also a not insi

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 01:48 PM 11/25/2002 -0600 The Fool wrote: > I think that only a small minority of the religious in the >world > today advocate theocracy. > >What percentage of the population is muslim? What percent are JW's? Well, how about all the Muslims that take the Koran literally when it says "There ca

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 08:57 PM 11/24/2002 -0600 Ronald Blankenship wrote: >> >[1] Just rebutting your 'beyond ludicrous' without claiming that >massacring >> >the heathen/infidel/non-believer is the normal pattern of theocracies. >> >> But isn't correlating religion and theocracy something of a sterotype as >> well?

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 6:50:53 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Which, FWIW, was preserved by Muslim Arabs when Christians burned the > Library at Alexandria because its books were written by pagan Greeks. > ? Was there more than one burning? I thought it

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated > > From: Richard Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > The Fool said: &

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Richard Baker
The Fool said: > The renasiance didn't happen until after the crusades, in which the > crusaders brought back with them a great deal of knowledge from the > greek and roman times. I wasn't talking about the Italian renaissance though, but the time before and during the Crusades. There wouldn't ha

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
> From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The Fool wrote: > > > > > From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > At 01:10 AM 11/25/2002 + William T Goodall wrote: > > > >Is it? Quakers and other pacifist religions are a tiny minority. The > > > >'general characteristics' of religio

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 1:33:06 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I was planning to wave my arms in the general direction of the night sky > and say "I claim these worlds in the name of myself, Richard the First > and Last, God-Emperor of the Known Universe."

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
> From: Richard Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The Fool said: > > > And just how many unholy wars did the Popes reside over during the > > dark ages Mr. Catholic? We'll include medieval europe in that as well. > Not an awful lot, I would've thought. It seems to me that the main > inter-religious w

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Richard Baker
Julia said: > p.s. How large is the Known Universe? A few tens of billions of light years across. It depends on a rather flimsy ladder of distance measurements so I'm not sure exactly how big. > And how can you govern as God-Emperor without FTL communications? I was planning to wave my arms i

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Richard Baker wrote: > > Julia said: > > > What percentage of muslims advocate theocracy? None of the ones I've > > run into (admittedly, a very small sample) were interested in such. > > I suppose that now's a bad time to launch my bid to become God-Emperor > of the Known Universe, right? :D

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Richard Baker
Julia said: > What percentage of muslims advocate theocracy? None of the ones I've > run into (admittedly, a very small sample) were interested in such. I suppose that now's a bad time to launch my bid to become God-Emperor of the Known Universe, right? Rich GSV There's Always Next Year __

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 12:47:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The Fool said: > > > And just how many unholy wars did the Popes reside over during the > > dark ages Mr. Catholic? > replying: Not an awful lot I'd rather move up a few centuries. Even Tilly

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: > > > From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > At 01:10 AM 11/25/2002 + William T Goodall wrote: > > >Is it? Quakers and other pacifist religions are a tiny minority. The > > >'general characteristics' of religion could be described with the > pacifists > > >as a footno

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
> From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 01:10 AM 11/25/2002 + William T Goodall wrote: > >Is it? Quakers and other pacifist religions are a tiny minority. The > >'general characteristics' of religion could be described with the pacifists > >as a footnote.[1] > > > >[1] Just rebutting

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Richard Baker
The Fool said: > And just how many unholy wars did the Popes reside over during the > dark ages Mr. Catholic? Not an awful lot, I would've thought. It seems to me that the main inter-religious wars during the Dark Ages in Europe were between Merovingian France and the Muslim armies in Spain and b

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
> From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 01:57 PM 11/24/2002 -0600 The Fool wrote: > >As long as there are people who believe these kinds of things, whether > >they are christians, jews, islamists, hindus or whatever, (and I know > >plenty of people with this kind of worldview personally),

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Reggie Bautista
Ronn wrote: Define "theocracy." Frex, Christians believe that at some point in the future, Jesus Christ will return to Earth as its ruler. That should be "some Christians" There are a lot of different ways to interpret the New Testament... Reggie Bautista __

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: Ritu Ko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:51 AM Subject: RE: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated > > > Ronn Blankenship wrote: > > > > Btw, I meant to ask, what

RE: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ritu Ko
Ronn Blankenship wrote: > > Btw, I meant to ask, what was the colour of the other half > of that cat > > of yours? > > > Other half? Not sure what you mean: Of course you don't. My bad. :) Your earlier mail had mentioned a half-kali dog. I somehow remembered a cat.. :) Ritu GCU Oops! ___

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: Ritu Ko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:04 AM Subject: RE: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated > Ritu asked: > > Ronn Blankenship wrote: > > > (I won't quibble w

RE: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ritu Ko
Ronn Blankenship wrote: > (I won't quibble with you over the gender of deity at this > point. ;-) ) Nothing to quibble about there, sir. It's a simple fact. ;) Btw, I meant to ask, what was the colour of the other half of that cat of yours? Ritu GCU Hanumani-Sindoori?http://www.mccme

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: Ritu Ko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:27 AM Subject: RE: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated > Ritu wrote: > > Ronald Blankenship wrote: > > > Define "th

RE: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ritu Ko
Ronald Blankenship wrote: > Define "theocracy." > > Frex, Christians believe that at some point in the future, > Jesus Christ will > return to Earth as its ruler. In which case, wouldn't the belief that the entire Creation is God's doing and, thus, under Her ultimate control be defined as

RE: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ritu Ko
William T Goodall wrote: > > What of people who hold pacifist religous views? > > > > Using Osama bin Laden to make a statement about the general > characteristics > > of religion is beyond ludicrous. > > Is it? Quakers and other pacifist religions are a tiny minority. The > 'general characte

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-24 Thread Ronald Blankenship
- Original Message - From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated > At 01:10 AM 11/25/2002 + William T Goodall wrote: > >Is it? Quake

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-24 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 01:10 AM 11/25/2002 + William T Goodall wrote: >Is it? Quakers and other pacifist religions are a tiny minority. The >'general characteristics' of religion could be described with the pacifists >as a footnote.[1] > >[1] Just rebutting your 'beyond ludicrous' without claiming that massacring

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-24 Thread William T Goodall
on 24/11/02 11:45 pm, John D. Giorgis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > At 01:57 PM 11/24/2002 -0600 The Fool wrote: >> As long as there are people who believe these kinds of things, whether >> they are christians, jews, islamists, hindus or whatever, (and I know >> plenty of people with this kind of

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-24 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 01:57 PM 11/24/2002 -0600 The Fool wrote: >As long as there are people who believe these kinds of things, whether >they are christians, jews, islamists, hindus or whatever, (and I know >plenty of people with this kind of worldview personally), the human race >is headed for extinction. It is onl