Although his views are probably partly coloured by him thinking we're all toga wearing, singers down in the B-Tour, Jaimie is partly right. Seeding is very difficult, and the current system is probably as fair as you will get it. You can't use Winter League results, because it is a Close Season tournament. If you did use them, you would end up with 8 tour events spread throughout the year, and none of us would ever get a break. Plus, while LWL is very strong, other WLs are less so (for instance Motion finished above Chevy in NWL this year, so would you seed us above them? Despite their performance on the beach, I doubt it).
The issue is to make sure that B-Tour teams have an opportunity to find their correct level as quickly as possible. I never thought I'd say this, but Boston is right - we need a B-Tour format that allows incorrect seedings to be quickly eliminated. And we don't have that. Paul Motion -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 April 2005 14:28 To: Jon Palmer Cc: britdisc@near.me.uk Subject: [BD] Re: Seedings & a proposed change to the Tour Format Jon, I haven't read the rest of your email below the point relating to what I said, as I can't be bothered. However, You said: If the TD had gotten this information out earlier we could have discussed it earlier. The way seeding is determined is in the Tour Rules, which have been published on the website since this time last year. (Didn't this give you enough time to read them? You're clearly not a slow writer, so if you're a slow reader I'd suggest writing shorter emails so you can check you are not writing rubbish.) The relevant sections are below. <http://www.ukultimate.com/open/tour_rules.aspx> "8. SEEDINGS 1. All seedings at any tournament are at the discretion of the DoC, UKUA CAC and UKUA. 2. For Tour 1 seedings will be based on the finishing positions of the previous Nationals, and for lower ranked teams, the previous overall Tour results. 4. New teams will be seeded by the discretion of the DoC. Geo-teams may be considered for seeding directly into the A tour, whereas non geo teams will have to start from the B tour. Teams may only be seeded directly into the A tour should there be vacancies due to mergers or folding teams over the close season." I repeat, don't start critisising things now!!!! Jaimie (It begins with an 'L') Jon Palmer writes: > Jamie Cross wrote: > >> Seriously though, the way seedings etc are worked out have been public for > >> ages, and this style of last minute critisism is ill-timed and reasonably >> pointless. If you have issues with the rules, raise them well in advance >> of Tour 1, so there is time for discussion, change and implementation. >> Seems sensible to me but I must admit a lack of the foresight displayed by > >> some of the previous correspondents. > > You don't consider the day that the seedings are announced and the format > first released to be an appropriate time to have this discussion? If the TD > had gotten this information out earlier we could have discussed it earlier. > > __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list BritDisc@near.me.uk http://zion.ranulf.net/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by MCI's Internet Managed Scanning Services - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.mci.com The information contained in this E-MAIL and any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, copy, distribute or retain this message or any part of it without the prior agreement or consent of the sender. If you have received this in error please delete it and inform the sender to avoid transmission problems for the future. __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list BritDisc@near.me.uk http://zion.ranulf.net/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp
