Re: [Bug-apl] )SAVE should show WSID

2014-05-10 Thread Elias Mårtenson
Nice, thank you! Regards, Elias On 10 May 2014 20:29, Juergen Sauermann wrote: > Hi, > > as of SVN 258, the local time is shown, followed by the timezone (GMT +/- > offset-in-hours). > > /// Jürgen > > > > On 05/09/2014 07:13 PM, Peter Teeson wrote: > > I think you are correct Blake. > IIRC @

Re: [Bug-apl] )SAVE should show WSID

2014-05-10 Thread Juergen Sauermann
Hi, as of SVN 258, the local time is shown, followed by the timezone (GMT +/- offset-in-hours). /// Jürgen On 05/09/2014 07:13 PM, Peter Teeson wrote: I think you are correct Blake. IIRC @ IPSA we used UTC internally for things saved to HD. But displayed local time on the Terminal which was

Re: [Bug-apl] )SAVE should show WSID

2014-05-09 Thread Peter Teeson
I think you are correct Blake. IIRC @ IPSA we used UTC internally for things saved to HD. But displayed local time on the Terminal which was an IBM 2741 with an APL golf ball. (FWIW We also had a really really precise external clock custom built for us which we used for date/time things rather

Re: [Bug-apl] )SAVE should show WSID

2014-05-09 Thread Blake McBride
Greetings, Perhaps the time they are showing is local and the "(GMT-4)" is showing its relationship to GMT. Blake On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Juergen Sauermann < juergen.sauerm...@t-online.de> wrote: > Hi, > > GNU APL is following the IBM APL2 language reference manual as much as > poss

Re: [Bug-apl] )SAVE should show WSID

2014-05-09 Thread Juergen Sauermann
Hi, GNU APL is following the IBM APL2 language reference manual as much as possible (so that we can use it as GNU APL reference and need no write our own one). It says: "For example: )WSID THISWS )SAVE 1992-03-27 21.51.09 (GMT-4) THISWS Note: The system response includes the wor

Re: [Bug-apl] )SAVE should show WSID

2014-05-09 Thread Blake McBride
I am fine having it show timezone. I just need local time AND the WSID. Thanks. Blake On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 7:21 AM, Elias Mårtenson wrote: > You are right. )SAVE is indeed a command, and the output is meant for > humans to read. It should be local time. That said, I don't mind seeing the

Re: [Bug-apl] )SAVE should show WSID

2014-05-09 Thread Elias Mårtenson
You are right. )SAVE is indeed a command, and the output is meant for humans to read. It should be local time. That said, I don't mind seeing the timezone there as well. It's helpful when looking at logs (I'm speaking from experience here since I'm right now sitting in a hotel room in Sydney, two t

Re: [Bug-apl] )SAVE should show WSID

2014-05-09 Thread Blake McBride
Given that )SAVE is a command and not a function (something intended to be used by another program), I think it is clear that it should display local time without any timezone information. Secondly, the output message from )SAVE is for convenience of the immediate programmer doing the work, and no

Re: [Bug-apl] )SAVE should show WSID

2014-05-09 Thread Elias Mårtenson
Before I continue further, I want to emphasise that there is a problem with the output of )SAVE. It may, however, be different from your opinion. There are two different things to think about when working with time: - Displaying time information for the user's benefit - For processing by a

Re: [Bug-apl] )SAVE should show WSID

2014-05-09 Thread Blake McBride
Greetings, Two additional problems with the )SAVE message: 1. Drop the timezone info i.e. "(GMT -5)" 2. Display local time instead of GMT time. My entire life revolves around my local time. GMT time is largely meaningless to me. For me, GMT time only has value when I am trying to coordinate

[Bug-apl] )SAVE should show WSID

2014-05-08 Thread Blake McBride
Greetings, I believe the )SAVE command should display the name of the workspace after the date and time. I am looking at the Gilman and Rose APL2 book and that's the way they show it. (In addition to my memory.) Thanks. Blake