bug#12783: info for sort has an illogical example

2012-11-05 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
One ammendment... I'd say setting LANG=C is also unwise, and for the same reason. make that - It can be unwise to set LC_ALL or LANG to affect sort order because they may affect many other things as well, such as the language used for error and help messages. On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Kevi

bug#12783: info for sort has an illogical example

2012-11-05 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
Looking at a convenient issue of the POSIX standard, I find http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xbd/envvar.htm, and in particular where it mentions a "precedence order". It seems that the interaction of environment variables is not unspecified at all. I'm guessing that something else w

bug#12794: Bug in dd: it sends wrong messages to stderr

2012-11-05 Thread Pádraig Brady
On 11/05/2012 11:57 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: Unfortunately Pádraig missed you in the recipient list when replying to Paul. See Pádraig response with that item in this message logged here: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=12794#13 Generally we CC the original poster but for the rest

bug#12794: Bug in dd: it sends wrong messages to stderr

2012-11-05 Thread Bob Proulx
Ganton wrote: > > Sorry, but dd is older than POSIX > Paul Eggert wrote "dd is [...] part of the POSIX standard" and I wrote > consequently, if the dd specification is broken, then the POSIX standard is > broken, too. The task of the POSIX standard was to document existing behavior and standardi

bug#12794: Bug in dd: it sends wrong messages to stderr

2012-11-05 Thread Ganton
Thanks, Eric Blake, for your explanations. About what the "conversation" really was, you made clear that there was another person, "Pádraig", that sent a text that arrived to some people but not to other ones (at least me, maybe because he sent an e-mail and I wasn't in the "recipient list"), s

bug#12794: Bug in dd: it sends wrong messages to stderr

2012-11-05 Thread Eric Blake
On 11/05/2012 03:56 PM, Ganton wrote: >> Sorry, but dd is older than POSIX > Paul Eggert wrote "dd is [...] part of the POSIX standard" and I wrote > consequently, if the dd specification is broken, then the POSIX standard is > broken, too. > >> You're 40 years too late on this one. > This kind

bug#12794: Bug in dd: it sends wrong messages to stderr

2012-11-05 Thread Ganton
> Sorry, but dd is older than POSIX Paul Eggert wrote "dd is [...] part of the POSIX standard" and I wrote consequently, if the dd specification is broken, then the POSIX standard is broken, too. > You're 40 years too late on this one. This kind of condescending attitudes do not improve matters.

bug#12794: Bug in dd: it sends wrong messages to stderr

2012-11-05 Thread Eric Blake
On 11/05/2012 02:43 PM, Ganton wrote: > Many ones will doubt that the POSIX standard is so broken that forces people > to see messages in stderr that are not errors and not wanted. That even goes > against the Unix philosophy, for example, against the "Rule of Silence: When > a > program has n

bug#12794: Bug in dd: it sends wrong messages to stderr

2012-11-05 Thread Ganton
Hello: > > when I do backups, I see "errors" from dd... that really aren't. > > [...] > > 1+0 records in > > 1+0 records out > > 512 bytes (512 B) copied, 0,000129625 s, 3,9 MB/s > > [...] > > > You have a point, but I'm afraid that dd is documented to behave > that way, and it's part of the POS

bug#12778: Failure when running check-root make target

2012-11-05 Thread Voelker, Bernhard
Andrew Warshall wrote (Monday, November 05, 2012 4:19 PM): > On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:46:32 + > "Voelker, Bernhard" wrote: >> $ sudo env PATH="$PATH" make NON_ROOT_USERNAME=nobody check-TESTS >> PASS: [...] >> ../build-aux/test-driver: line 95: 5158 Aborted >> "$@" > $log_file 2>&1 FAIL:

bug#12778: Failure when running check-root make target

2012-11-05 Thread Andrew Warshall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:46:32 + "Voelker, Bernhard" wrote: > > Does "make NON_ROOT_USERNAME=nobody check-TESTS" run as root in the > > gnulib-tests/ directory work for you? > > Sure it does. ;-) > > But with sudo it fails for 1 test: > > $ sudo

bug#12778: Failure when running check-root make target

2012-11-05 Thread Voelker, Bernhard
Andrew Warshall wrote (Monday, November 05, 2012 3:30 PM): >> This is on OpenSuSE 12.2 with GNU make 3.82. > > I'd be curious to know what it's supposed to be doing. For example, > should "make check-root" be running any gnulib-tests at all? Those > should all get run by "make check" anyway, no? n

bug#12778: Failure when running check-root make target

2012-11-05 Thread Andrew Warshall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > Is anyone else having our problem? > > In particular, is it local to GNU make 3.82? > > well, not the same, but ... > > make check-TESTS > make[6]: Entering directory `/home/berny/coreutils/gnulib-tests' > make[7]: Entering directory `/hom

bug#12793: FORCE_UNSAFE_CONFIGURE=1 - not really a bug, but friendliness issue

2012-11-05 Thread Eric Blake
[adding gnulib] On 11/03/2012 10:34 AM, Pádraig Brady wrote: > On 11/03/2012 02:36 PM, Michael Felt wrote: >> Would be much nicer if ./configure complained at the beginning about >> being >> root, rather than at the end. > > This comes from a specific test in gnulib: > http://git.sv.gnu.org/gitwe

bug#12778: Failure when running check-root make target

2012-11-05 Thread Voelker, Bernhard
Andrew Warshall wrote: (Sunday, November 04, 2012 8:21 PM) >>> make[7]: *** No rule to make target `tests/chown/basic.sh.log', >>> needed by `test-suite.log'. Stop. > Is anyone else having our problem? > In particular, is it local to GNU make 3.82? well, not the same, but ... make check-TES