Re: About merging the Hurd homepage and the Hurd wiki

2008-11-12 Thread Thomas Schwinge
Hello! On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 04:17:34PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Am Mittwoch 12 November 2008 15:38:56 schrieb Thomas Schwinge: > > Ah, right! However, I solved this differently to what you suggested, > > using CSS' `clear' magic. See the git log for that change and a few > > othe

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2008-11-12 Thread Thomas Schwinge
Hello! On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 06:50:05PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Am Mittwoch 12 November 2008 15:49:11 schrieb Thomas Schwinge: > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:09:19AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > > Typically, you'd simply ``git fetch'' (or ``git clone'' a new > > repository

Re: A niche for the Hurd

2008-11-12 Thread Michal Suchanek
Hello Since the brainstorming non-critique period is over I would like to point out where the Hurd failed to fulfill some expectations for me. The first and most important part is reliability. While I can understand that on a system used by next to nobody not everything works well there was a s

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - the power of translators

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Mittwoch 12 November 2008 21:22:38 schrieb Arne Babenhauserheide: > Am Dienstag 11 November 2008 04:03:14 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > You mean "fsysopts /foo -r" ? - snip - > $ addauth -p bashPID -g mail I should get some time away from my computer _right now_... brain's going muddy...

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - the power of translators

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Dienstag 11 November 2008 03:58:39 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: >settrans -c /ftp: /hurd/hostmux /hurd/ftpfs / I rewrote my short intro to that. It looks nicer than first using touch :) Thanks! > Technically, it's not a big deal to set it up. But it's an enormous > psychological differe

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - the power of translators

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Dienstag 11 November 2008 04:03:14 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > You mean "fsysopts /foo -r" ? > > Not sure though how this is better than "mount -o remount,ro /foo"... > > (Except of course that only root can do this, like any other mount > operation on Linux -- but we already discussed that :-)

Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Samstag 08 November 2008 17:10:31 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Well, I wouldn't really consider that an issue. qemu is totally > unrelated to what we actually trying to show, and I don't think it's a > problem if it needs a complicated command line, as long as it is > presented in a form that ca

Re: A niche for the Hurd

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Mittwoch 12 November 2008 05:14:02 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Hi, > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:35:48AM +0200, Sergiu Ivanov wrote: > > Is it possible to run only *parts* of the Hurd on separate computers, > > that is, make the Hurd a kind of a network operating system. It most > > probably s

Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Dienstag 11 November 2008 02:46:23 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I put it in quotation marks for a reason: It's not to be taken > literally! :-) > > I only meant making it easily available to the "masses" of people toying > with the Hurd... Ah, OK. I didn't get that - too zealous irony filter

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - lightweight virtualisation

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Samstag 08 November 2008 17:34:08 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > A virtual appliance is similar, only that the operating system+software > is preinstalled in an image, and comes along with a virtualization > solution to run it -- you can use it inside an existing host system, and > don't have to i

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - subhurds and subusers

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Samstag 08 November 2008 12:20:33 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > It's definitely far out, though. > > Not as far out as some of the other ideas discussed here... The > necessary stuff should be quite possible to implement in a couple of > months or even weeks I think. It requires a proxy for the

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - the power of translators

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Mittwoch 12 November 2008 04:48:07 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Anyways, just claiming that it can be done, doesn't help us. If we had a > bunch of applications actually following these ideas, so people can see > for themselfs, I'm sure it would be much more convincing... Can you think of a sim

Re: About merging the Hurd homepage and the Hurd wiki

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Mittwoch 12 November 2008 15:49:11 schrieb Thomas Schwinge: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:09:19AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Typically, you'd simply ``git fetch'' (or ``git clone'' a new > repository), notice the new `origin/homepage' branch, create a new > working branch: ``git checko

Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Samstag 08 November 2008 03:05:39 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > - You have 1.000.000 files to store, which makes a simple "ls" damn > > slow. - So you develop a simple container format with reduced metadata > > and specialized access characteristics. - Now you want to make that > > cotainer acc

Re: Gentoo GNU/Hurd thread in Gentoo Forums

2008-11-12 Thread Marek Dopiera
Saturday 08 of November 2008 07:28:17 Sergiu Ivanov napisał(a): > Please pardon me my question: why won't you contribute to Hurd > directly now? Especially that you have some experience with it ;-) I'm > just curious, please don't think I meant something offensive with the > inquiry. > Hi, unfortun

Re: About merging the Hurd homepage and the Hurd wiki

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Mittwoch 12 November 2008 15:38:56 schrieb Thomas Schwinge: > Ah, right! However, I solved this differently to what you suggested, > using CSS' `clear' magic. See the git log for that change and a few > other CSS improvements. By now I know more about CSS than I ever wanted. > But still not e

Re: About merging the Hurd homepage and the Hurd wiki

2008-11-12 Thread Thomas Schwinge
Hello! On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:09:19AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Am Montag 10 November 2008 13:56:40 schrieb Thomas Schwinge: > > I pushed my `homepage' branch into the flubber, Savannah and > github repositories. Feel free to work on it and even install changes. > > However, be p

Re: About merging the Hurd homepage and the Hurd wiki

2008-11-12 Thread Thomas Schwinge
Hello! On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:28:01AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Is it possible to only show a shortened version of the news on the start > page, > so that we can write longer news entries, or should the news entries rather > be > like changelog entries which link to full-length

Re: A niche for the Hurd - multi-core systems

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 03:05:07PM +, Matthew Ayres wrote: > No doubt this shows my naivety, but why has GNU never built its own > replacement for Mach? Well, I'm not sure what you are asking exactly here. This question can be answered in several ways... First of all, you may not be awa

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - the power of translators

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:43:48PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Arne Babenhauserheide, le Wed 29 Oct 2008 17:35:16 +0100, a écrit : > > Transparent ftp out of the box would be a cool feature, too. > > Err, well we can already setup that automatically, it's just a matter of > > touch /ft

Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 11:42:45AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Am Mittwoch 29 Oktober 2008 12:16:58 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > About the only really unique feature I'm personally aware of besides of > > the ones already mentioned, is the ability to give a user's processes > > ne

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - namespace based translator selection

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:01:41PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Am Mittwoch 29 Oktober 2008 12:16:58 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > I fear though that such radical things have little chance in Debian -- > > so perhaps we actually need a custom distribution for that :-( > > They coul

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - the power of translators

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:01:52PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Somehow remounting readonly was also possible without hassle, but I no > longer remember how... You mean "fsysopts /foo -r" ? Not sure though how this is better than "mount -o remount,ro /foo"... (Except of course th

Re: A niche for the Hurd

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:46:08AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > @all: Why are YOU working on the Hurd? > > What is the niche the Hurd fills for you? I already said it more or less, but maybe it helps if I restate it more explicitely: The main reason I'm interested in the Hurd, i

Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:46:14PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Am Mittwoch 29 Oktober 2008 12:16:58 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > I mentioned the desktop thing as one possible showcase. The problem > > here is that it is a task for many years... Would be nice to have > > some hurdi

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - lightweight virtualisation

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:57:11PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Am Mittwoch 29 Oktober 2008 12:16:58 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > However, I dwelt on an interesting variation above: For *virtual* > > appliances the Hurd might be interesting -- using hurdish > > subenvironments inst

Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:00:49PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Am Mittwoch 29 Oktober 2008 12:16:58 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I'll digest it in little pieces and answer directly... I actually already considered splitting it up myself :-) > > > Give back power to users: >

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - the power of translators

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:35:16PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Am Mittwoch 29 Oktober 2008 12:16:58 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > Well, regarding the specific examples, such things aren't very > > interesting anymore: With FUSE, this can all be done on Linux as > > well nowadays...

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - take my environment with me

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:27:24PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Am Mittwoch 29 Oktober 2008 12:16:58 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > A precondition is that the same translators are available. This > > could be incovenient, but shouldn't be a serious problem, as the > > user can always

Re: A niche for the Hurd

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:35:48AM +0200, Sergiu Ivanov wrote: > Is it possible to run only *parts* of the Hurd on separate computers, > that is, make the Hurd a kind of a network operating system. It most > probably sounds crazy, but I know that only a microkernel OS can do > something like

Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:05:54PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Am Mittwoch 29 Oktober 2008 12:16:58 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > And when the development is done, the really hard part will begin: > > Pushing it to the "masses". > > Careful with that thought! I put it in quotat