Re: A niche for the Hurd

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:35:48AM +0200, Sergiu Ivanov wrote: Is it possible to run only *parts* of the Hurd on separate computers, that is, make the Hurd a kind of a network operating system. It most probably sounds crazy, but I know that only a microkernel OS can do something like

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - take my environment with me

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:27:24PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Am Mittwoch 29 Oktober 2008 12:16:58 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A precondition is that the same translators are available. This could be incovenient, but shouldn't be a serious problem, as the user can always

Re: About merging the Hurd homepage and the Hurd wiki

2008-11-12 Thread Thomas Schwinge
Hello! On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:28:01AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Is it possible to only show a shortened version of the news on the start page, so that we can write longer news entries, or should the news entries rather be like changelog entries which link to full-length

Re: About merging the Hurd homepage and the Hurd wiki

2008-11-12 Thread Thomas Schwinge
Hello! On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:09:19AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Am Montag 10 November 2008 13:56:40 schrieb Thomas Schwinge: I pushed my `homepage' branch into the flubber, Savannah and github repositories. Feel free to work on it and even install changes. However, be

Re: Gentoo GNU/Hurd thread in Gentoo Forums

2008-11-12 Thread Marek Dopiera
Saturday 08 of November 2008 07:28:17 Sergiu Ivanov napisał(a): Please pardon me my question: why won't you contribute to Hurd directly now? Especially that you have some experience with it ;-) I'm just curious, please don't think I meant something offensive with the inquiry. Hi,

Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:46:14PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Am Mittwoch 29 Oktober 2008 12:16:58 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I mentioned the desktop thing as one possible showcase. The problem here is that it is a task for many years... Would be nice to have some hurdish

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - the power of translators

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:43:48PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: Arne Babenhauserheide, le Wed 29 Oct 2008 17:35:16 +0100, a écrit : Transparent ftp out of the box would be a cool feature, too. Err, well we can already setup that automatically, it's just a matter of touch /ftp:

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - the power of translators

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:01:52PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Somehow remounting readonly was also possible without hassle, but I no longer remember how... You mean fsysopts /foo -r ? Not sure though how this is better than mount -o remount,ro /foo... (Except of course that

Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Samstag 08 November 2008 03:05:39 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - You have 1.000.000 files to store, which makes a simple ls damn slow. - So you develop a simple container format with reduced metadata and specialized access characteristics. - Now you want to make that cotainer accessible

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - namespace based translator selection

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:01:41PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Am Mittwoch 29 Oktober 2008 12:16:58 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I fear though that such radical things have little chance in Debian -- so perhaps we actually need a custom distribution for that :-( They could just

Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 11:42:45AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Am Mittwoch 29 Oktober 2008 12:16:58 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: About the only really unique feature I'm personally aware of besides of the ones already mentioned, is the ability to give a user's processes new

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - the power of translators

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:35:16PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Am Mittwoch 29 Oktober 2008 12:16:58 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, regarding the specific examples, such things aren't very interesting anymore: With FUSE, this can all be done on Linux as well nowadays... It's

Re: A niche for the Hurd

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:46:08AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: @all: Why are YOU working on the Hurd? What is the niche the Hurd fills for you? I already said it more or less, but maybe it helps if I restate it more explicitely: The main reason I'm interested in the Hurd, is

Re: About merging the Hurd homepage and the Hurd wiki

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Mittwoch 12 November 2008 15:49:11 schrieb Thomas Schwinge: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:09:19AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Typically, you'd simply ``git fetch'' (or ``git clone'' a new repository), notice the new `origin/homepage' branch, create a new working branch: ``git checkout

Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:05:54PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Am Mittwoch 29 Oktober 2008 12:16:58 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And when the development is done, the really hard part will begin: Pushing it to the masses. Careful with that thought! I put it in quotation

Re: A niche for the Hurd - multi-core systems

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 03:05:07PM +, Matthew Ayres wrote: No doubt this shows my naivety, but why has GNU never built its own replacement for Mach? Well, I'm not sure what you are asking exactly here. This question can be answered in several ways... First of all, you may not be

Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check

2008-11-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:00:49PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Am Mittwoch 29 Oktober 2008 12:16:58 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'll digest it in little pieces and answer directly... I actually already considered splitting it up myself :-) Give back power to users:

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - the power of translators

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Mittwoch 12 November 2008 04:48:07 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anyways, just claiming that it can be done, doesn't help us. If we had a bunch of applications actually following these ideas, so people can see for themselfs, I'm sure it would be much more convincing... Can you think of a

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - subhurds and subusers

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Samstag 08 November 2008 12:20:33 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's definitely far out, though. Not as far out as some of the other ideas discussed here... The necessary stuff should be quite possible to implement in a couple of months or even weeks I think. It requires a proxy for the proc

Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Dienstag 11 November 2008 02:46:23 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I put it in quotation marks for a reason: It's not to be taken literally! :-) I only meant making it easily available to the masses of people toying with the Hurd... Ah, OK. I didn't get that - too zealous irony filter ;-)

Re: A niche for the Hurd

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Mittwoch 12 November 2008 05:14:02 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:35:48AM +0200, Sergiu Ivanov wrote: Is it possible to run only *parts* of the Hurd on separate computers, that is, make the Hurd a kind of a network operating system. It most probably sounds

Re: A niche for the Hurd - next step: reality check

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Samstag 08 November 2008 17:10:31 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, I wouldn't really consider that an issue. qemu is totally unrelated to what we actually trying to show, and I don't think it's a problem if it needs a complicated command line, as long as it is presented in a form that can

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - lightweight virtualisation

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Samstag 08 November 2008 17:34:08 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A virtual appliance is similar, only that the operating system+software is preinstalled in an image, and comes along with a virtualization solution to run it -- you can use it inside an existing host system, and don't have to

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - the power of translators

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Dienstag 11 November 2008 04:03:14 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You mean fsysopts /foo -r ? Not sure though how this is better than mount -o remount,ro /foo... (Except of course that only root can do this, like any other mount operation on Linux -- but we already discussed that :-) ) But

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - the power of translators

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Dienstag 11 November 2008 03:58:39 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: settrans -c /ftp: /hurd/hostmux /hurd/ftpfs / I rewrote my short intro to that. It looks nicer than first using touch :) Thanks! Technically, it's not a big deal to set it up. But it's an enormous psychological

Re: Niche for Hurd - discussion - the power of translators

2008-11-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Mittwoch 12 November 2008 21:22:38 schrieb Arne Babenhauserheide: Am Dienstag 11 November 2008 04:03:14 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You mean fsysopts /foo -r ? - snip - $ addauth -p bashPID -g mail I should get some time away from my computer _right now_... brain's going muddy...

Re: A niche for the Hurd

2008-11-12 Thread Michal Suchanek
Hello Since the brainstorming non-critique period is over I would like to point out where the Hurd failed to fulfill some expectations for me. The first and most important part is reliability. While I can understand that on a system used by next to nobody not everything works well there was a

Some more git usage instructions (was: About merging the Hurd homepage and the Hurd wiki)

2008-11-12 Thread Thomas Schwinge
Hello! On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 06:50:05PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Am Mittwoch 12 November 2008 15:49:11 schrieb Thomas Schwinge: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:09:19AM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Typically, you'd simply ``git fetch'' (or ``git clone'' a new repository),

Re: About merging the Hurd homepage and the Hurd wiki

2008-11-12 Thread Thomas Schwinge
Hello! On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 04:17:34PM +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Am Mittwoch 12 November 2008 15:38:56 schrieb Thomas Schwinge: Ah, right! However, I solved this differently to what you suggested, using CSS' `clear' magic. See the git log for that change and a few other CSS