Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-31 Thread Remi Locherer
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 07:06:51PM +0100, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:38:11AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: So we should take all our hardware mixers, and crank them to full volume right at boot time. IMO, this is the best option. Do you have a stereo

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-24 Thread Theo de Raadt
previously on this list Alexandre Ratchov contributed: I was talking about raising initial hardware volume and lowering the initial software volume (current defaults are the opposite) My dads a bit of an audio junkie having built his first record player when he was 14 and he tells me

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-24 Thread Jean-Philippe Ouellet
On 3/24/14 7:01 AM, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: I was talking about raising initial hardware volume and lowering the initial software volume (current defaults are the opposite). I agree that it doesn't make sense to have everything cranked. Not that my opinion is worth anything, but I strongly

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-24 Thread Kent R. Spillner
If you're trying to surf the web one handed in the basement after your family goes to sleep you want the hardware muted by default.

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-23 Thread Alexandre Ratchov
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:50:21AM +0100, Remi Locherer wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 04:31:22PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 21:49:19 +0100 (CET) From: remi.loche...@relo.ch With the snapshot from March 22 the volume keys on my ThinkPad

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-23 Thread Theo de Raadt
So we should take all our hardware mixers, and crank them to full volume right at boot time. IMO, this is the best option. When I do that, the audio circuits pick up noise from the hard drive. So there is backgorund noise all the time, even when I am not doing audio. If hardware

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-23 Thread Ted Unangst
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 14:22, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: So we should take all our hardware mixers, and crank them to full volume right at boot time. IMO, this is the best option. Strongest possible disagree. The keyboard beep on my thinkpads at full volume is mind shattering. Among other

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-23 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 14:22, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: So we should take all our hardware mixers, and crank them to full volume right at boot time. IMO, this is the best option. Strongest possible disagree. The keyboard beep on my thinkpads at full volume is mind shattering.

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-23 Thread Benjamin Baier
So we should take all our hardware mixers, and crank them to full volume right at boot time. IMO, this is the best option. Do you have a stereo system connected to your PC? I would not made this the default. Start low and if you want a loud default setting, use mixerctl.conf If hardware

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-23 Thread Theo de Raadt
So we should take all our hardware mixers, and crank them to full volume right at boot time. IMO, this is the best option. Do you have a stereo system connected to your PC? I would not made this the default. Start low and if you want a loud default setting, use mixerctl.conf So that is

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-23 Thread Alexandre Ratchov
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:52:49AM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 14:22, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: So we should take all our hardware mixers, and crank them to full volume right at boot time. IMO, this is the best option. Strongest possible disagree. so, diff to

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-23 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:52:49AM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 14:22, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: So we should take all our hardware mixers, and crank them to full volume right at boot time. IMO, this is the best option. Strongest possible disagree.

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-23 Thread Alexandre Ratchov
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:56:44AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:52:49AM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 14:22, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: So we should take all our hardware mixers, and crank them to full volume right at boot time.

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-23 Thread Alexandre Ratchov
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:38:11AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: So we should take all our hardware mixers, and crank them to full volume right at boot time. IMO, this is the best option. Do you have a stereo system connected to your PC? I would not made this the default. Start low

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-23 Thread Ted Unangst
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 18:53, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:52:49AM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 14:22, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: So we should take all our hardware mixers, and crank them to full volume right at boot time. IMO, this is the

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-23 Thread Miod Vallat
Slamming outputs.master=255 would be way worse than the current situation. There are sounds, like the beep made when suspending and resuming, that do not go through sndiod. Maxing out the hardware volume is not a viable option. suspend/resume and text console beeps usually run through

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-23 Thread Ted Unangst
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 18:24, Miod Vallat wrote: Slamming outputs.master=255 would be way worse than the current situation. There are sounds, like the beep made when suspending and resuming, that do not go through sndiod. Maxing out the hardware volume is not a viable option.

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-23 Thread Mark Kettenis
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 14:51:24 -0400 From: Ted Unangst t...@tedunangst.com On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 18:24, Miod Vallat wrote: Slamming outputs.master=255 would be way worse than the current situation. There are sounds, like the beep made when suspending and resuming, that do not go

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-23 Thread Remi Locherer
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 02:27:57PM +0100, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:50:21AM +0100, Remi Locherer wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 04:31:22PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 21:49:19 +0100 (CET) From: remi.loche...@relo.ch

volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-22 Thread remi . locherer
Synopsis: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201 Category: kernel Environment: System : OpenBSD 5.5 Details : OpenBSD 5.5-current (GENERIC.MP) #16: Sat Mar 22 01:04:40 MDT 2014 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64

Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-22 Thread Mark Kettenis
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Re: volume keys not working on thinkpad x201

2014-03-22 Thread Theo de Raadt
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 21:49:19 +0100 (CET) From: remi.loche...@relo.ch With the snapshot from March 22 the volume keys on my ThinkPad x201 do not work anymore. mixerctl still works. Before I was running the snapshot from Feb 3 with which the volume keys worked.