RE: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle

2007-11-17 Thread Quark IT - Hilton Travis
> -Original Message- > From: Florian Echtler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 20:00 > > > If I read the law correctly, it requires retention of "what IP > > connected to another IP" and "which phone number called where." It > > doesn't bother retaining the URL ca

Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle

2007-11-14 Thread Frank Guthausen
Hello. On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:38:39PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:07:02 PST, johan beisser said: > > The logs don't contain context, just who/where/when. While > > encryption will prevent (one hopes) the capability of recovering > > context, who you talked to is

Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle

2007-11-14 Thread imipak
Hi Raju, On Nov 14, 2007 3:20 AM, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The mail addresses can only be stored if the server through which the > mail is relayed (or on which it originates) falls under the law. I'd > presume that's not a significant percentage of all mails sent out from > any cou

Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle

2007-11-14 Thread Raj Mathur
On Tuesday 13 November 2007 15:29, Florian Echtler wrote: > [snip] > As a native German speaker, allow me to clarify: with respect to IP > communication, the law mandates saving the following information for > 6 months: > > - which customer was assigned which IP for what timespan > - sender mail ad

Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle

2007-11-13 Thread Stefano Zanero
Florian Echtler wrote: > As a native German speaker, allow me to clarify: with respect to IP > communication, the law mandates saving the following information for 6 > months: > > - which customer was assigned which IP for what timespan > - sender mail address, receiver mail address and sender IP

Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle

2007-11-13 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:07:02 PST, johan beisser said: > Actually, that's not really part of the issue. The logs don't contain > context, just who/where/when. While encryption will prevent (one > hopes) the capability of recovering context, who you talked to is not > kept private or otherwise

Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle

2007-11-13 Thread johan beisser
On Nov 13, 2007, at 12:39 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: Instead of creating noise, one should fix the problem of sending out plaintext email, and encourage people to use email encryption such as Enigma for Thunderbird. Encrypt IM conversations with OTR, and via other ways pro-actively protect ones o

Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle

2007-11-13 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Florian Echtler wrote: As a native German speaker, allow me to clarify: with respect to IP communication, the law mandates saving the following information for 6 months: - which customer was assigned which IP for what timespan - sender mail address, receiver mail address an

Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle

2007-11-13 Thread Florian Echtler
> If I read the law correctly, it requires retention of "what IP > connected to another IP" and "which phone number called where." It > doesn't bother retaining the URL called (my German is rusty, so I may > be a little off in my interpretation). Connecting to a random IP on a > random open

Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle

2007-11-12 Thread johan beisser
On Nov 12, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Matt D. Harris wrote: However some of these issues can be mitigated without too much trouble. For example, one could have a dynamically growing dictionary of words to search for based on random words in random results pages that it grabs. At the very least,

Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle

2007-11-12 Thread Matt D. Harris
However some of these issues can be mitigated without too much trouble. For example, one could have a dynamically growing dictionary of words to search for based on random words in random results pages that it grabs. At the very least, this would kill any attempts to filter it out of the data

Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle

2007-11-12 Thread johan beisser
On Nov 10, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Paul Sebastian Ziegler wrote: The mechanism is quite easy: It searches Google for random words and picks random pages among the results, then spiders from there (well it is spidering except that it only follows one URL at a time within a session thus simulating a us