FWIW,
My concerns in regard to this do not relate to the fact that Microsoft is
selling products to address security issues in its other products, they,
like all other major players, are in business for the revenue, if people
are prepared to pay for their products they will, if not they'll go
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A common comment being made is that a Vendor who creates and sells and OS,
and then sells security applications to protect their OS is a conflict of
interest.
Consider the Anti-Trust law suits filed
Mark Litchfield wrote:
> I have heard the comment "It's a huge conflict of interest" for one
> company to provide both an operating platform and a security platform"
> made by John Thompson (CEO Symantec) many times from many different
> people. See article below.
>
> http://www2.csoonline.com/bl
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 02:44:07PM -0600, Neil Dickey wrote:
> Even an absolutely secure operating environment ( OS +security programs )
> can be compromised by a user who is ignorant or malicious, or by third-
> party software which is poorly made.
Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your words, but I r
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Actually, I have a hard time understanding why it isn't a conflict of
interest -- a
interesting ways
during this thread.
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>I have heard the comment "It's a huge conflict of interest" for one
company
>to provide both an operating platform and a security platfo
Jim Harrison wrote:
IMHO, he's just plain wrong and is only making "they're being
meanie-poo-poo-heads" noises.
Presumably, in Thompson's world, the makers of Linux, *BSD, OSX, MVS,
Solaris, (etc. etc. etc.), are even bigger poopyheads, since their
operating systems never really required or
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Thanx, Mark
One phrase; "consider the source&quo
Mark Litchfield wrote:
Consider the Anti-Trust law suits filed against MS by AOL regarding IE
and RealNetworks regarding Windows Media Player back in 2003, lets say
for discussion, MS now turn around and offer up their 'Security
Applications' for free. You know exactly what is going to happen
Mark Litchfield wrote:
I have heard the comment "It's a huge conflict of interest" for one company
to provide both an operating platform and a security platform" made by John
Thompson (CEO Symantec) many times from many different people. See article
below.
http://www2.csoonline.com/blog_vie
>I have heard the comment "It's a huge conflict of interest" for one company
>to provide both an operating platform and a security platform" made by John
>Thompson (CEO Symantec) many times from many different people. See article
>below.
"There goes our business model.", said John Thompson.
anyone willing
to sign a licensing agreement with MS.
IMHO, he's just plain wrong and is only making "they're being
meanie-poo-poo-heads" noises.
Jim
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A common comment being made is that a Vendor who creates and sells and OS,
and then sells security applications to protect their OS is a conflict of
interest.
Consider the Anti-Trust law suits filed against MS by AOL regarding IE and
RealNetworks regarding Windows Media Player back in 2003, le
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 06:48:30PM -, Mark Litchfield wrote:
> I have heard the comment "It's a huge conflict of interest" for one company
> to provide both an operating platform and a security platform" made by John
> Thompson (CEO Symantec) many times from many different people.
[...]
My t
Mark Litchfield wrote:
> I have heard the comment "It's a huge conflict of interest" for one
> company to provide both an operating platform and a security platform"
> made by John Thompson (CEO Symantec) many times from many different
> people.
The only conflict that occurs to me is the commercia
I think that the issue as posed is a false dichotomy. Security is not
just a function of the operating system and whatever security features
are added to it, but also of the third-party software packages which
are installed, everything from Corel Draw to TurboTax. Any program
which can accept inp
nteresting to have a poll on this subject, both of the
security community and the public at large.
Scott
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Mark Litchfield wrote:
I have heard the comment "It's a huge conflict of interest" for one
company to provide both an operating platform and a security platform"
made by John Thompson (CEO Symantec) many times from many different
people. See article below.
http://www2.csoonline.com/blog_vie
Mark Litchfield wrote:
> I have heard the comment "It's a huge conflict of interest" for one
> company to provide both an operating platform and a security platform"
> made by John Thompson (CEO Symantec) many times from many different
> people. See article below.
>
> http://www2.csoonline.com/blo
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Subject: Your Opinion
I have heard the comment "It's a huge conflict of interest" for one company
to provide both an operating platform and a security platform" made by John
Thompson (CEO Symantec) many times from man
I have heard the comment "It's a huge conflict of interest" for one company
to provide both an operating platform and a security platform" made by John
Thompson (CEO Symantec) many times from many different people. See article
below.
http://www2.csoonline.com/blog_view.html?CID=32554
In my p
I think an issue is that if they are providing an OS and charging for it, that
it should have these security features
by default. The user shouldn't have to pay additional money to ensure the
initial product they purchased
is secure. Not to mention of course certain vendors are going to start see
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