Re: Commit responsibilities and Lines of Defense

2011-02-22 Thread Jonathan Gibbons
On 02/22/2011 08:41 AM, Kelly O'Hair wrote: On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:16 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: On 02/21/2011 08:01 PM, Kelly O'Hair wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:29 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: On 02/18/2011 10:09 PM, Kelly O'Hair wrote: It is clear to us that we cannot make the system entirely

Re: Commit responsibilities and Lines of Defense

2011-02-22 Thread Kelly O'Hair
On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:16 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: On 02/21/2011 08:01 PM, Kelly O'Hair wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:29 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: On 02/18/2011 10:09 PM, Kelly O'Hair wrote: It is clear to us that we cannot make the system entirely "open", but we can provide a kind of portal (

Re: Commit responsibilities and Lines of Defense

2011-02-22 Thread Ulf Zibis
Am 22.02.2011 13:14, schrieb Dr Andrew John Hughes: On 00:00 Tue 22 Feb , Bradford Wetmore wrote: > So I take it the previous democratic choice of Bugzilla may be > ignored? For now, patch submissions should continue to be submitted via bugzilla, and discussed with the appropriate pro

Re: Commit responsibilities and Lines of Defense

2011-02-22 Thread Dr Andrew John Hughes
On 00:00 Tue 22 Feb , Bradford Wetmore wrote: > > >> Kelly just wrote: > >> >> It's not clear...and slightly augmented by the openjdk bugzilla. > >> > > >> > I think Andrew was referring to http://bugs.openjdk.java.net. > > I was. I'm not sure what else the phrase "OpenJDK bug data

Re: Commit responsibilities and Lines of Defense

2011-02-22 Thread Andrew Haley
On 02/21/2011 08:01 PM, Kelly O'Hair wrote: > > On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:29 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: > >> On 02/18/2011 10:09 PM, Kelly O'Hair wrote: >> >>> It is clear to us that we cannot make the system entirely "open", >>> but we can provide a kind of portal >>> (I hate that word), or view (a b

Re: Commit responsibilities and Lines of Defense

2011-02-22 Thread Bradford Wetmore
>> Kelly just wrote: >> >> It's not clear...and slightly augmented by the openjdk bugzilla. >> > >> > I think Andrew was referring to http://bugs.openjdk.java.net. > I was. I'm not sure what else the phrase "OpenJDK bug database" > would refer to. There were several bug systems mentioned

Re: Commit responsibilities and Lines of Defense

2011-02-21 Thread Kelly O'Hair
On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: On 18:08 Mon 21 Feb , Kelly O'Hair wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: snip So this is going to be yet another system? What will happen to the existing pretty much unused OpenJDK bug database?

Re: Commit responsibilities and Lines of Defense

2011-02-21 Thread Dr Andrew John Hughes
On 18:26 Mon 21 Feb , Brad Wetmore wrote: > > >>> Definitely. Making OpenJDK bug DB IDs usable in changesets would be > >>> a good start (probably involves jcheck...) > >> > >> I'll have to punt on that, someone else is working on it, but the > >> intent is to have a > >> completely open bug

Re: Commit responsibilities and Lines of Defense

2011-02-21 Thread Dr Andrew John Hughes
On 18:08 Mon 21 Feb , Kelly O'Hair wrote: > > On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: snip > > > > > So this is going to be yet another system? What will happen to the > > existing > > pretty much unused OpenJDK bug database? > > It's not clear. The old Sun bugtraq syst

Re: Commit responsibilities and Lines of Defense

2011-02-21 Thread Brad Wetmore
Definitely. Making OpenJDK bug DB IDs usable in changesets would be a good start (probably involves jcheck...) I'll have to punt on that, someone else is working on it, but the intent is to have a completely open bug tracking system that also allows us link it with the internal Oracle bug tra

Re: Commit responsibilities and Lines of Defense

2011-02-21 Thread Kelly O'Hair
On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: On 18:29 Fri 18 Feb , Kelly O'Hair wrote: On Feb 18, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: On 14:09 Fri 18 Feb , Kelly O'Hair wrote: But there have been some roadblocks for the open source community. It has bee

Re: Commit responsibilities and Lines of Defense

2011-02-21 Thread Dr Andrew John Hughes
On 18:29 Fri 18 Feb , Kelly O'Hair wrote: > > On Feb 18, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: > > > On 14:09 Fri 18 Feb , Kelly O'Hair wrote: > >> > > >> But there have been some roadblocks for the open source community. > >> > >> It has been observed (for a long time now) tha

Re: Commit responsibilities and Lines of Defense

2011-02-21 Thread Kelly O'Hair
On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:29 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: On 02/18/2011 10:09 PM, Kelly O'Hair wrote: But there have been some roadblocks for the open source community. It has been observed (for a long time now) that: * The Mercurial jcheck extension needs to be open sourced * The bug tracking system

Re: Commit responsibilities and Lines of Defense

2011-02-21 Thread Andrew Haley
On 02/18/2011 10:09 PM, Kelly O'Hair wrote: But there have been some roadblocks for the open source community. It has been observed (for a long time now) that: * The Mercurial jcheck extension needs to be open sourced * The bug tracking system needs to be completely open * We need an open build

Re: Commit responsibilities and Lines of Defense

2011-02-18 Thread Kelly O'Hair
On Feb 18, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: On 14:09 Fri 18 Feb , Kelly O'Hair wrote: But there have been some roadblocks for the open source community. It has been observed (for a long time now) that: * The Mercurial jcheck extension needs to be open sourced Funnily

Re: Commit responsibilities and Lines of Defense

2011-02-18 Thread Dr Andrew John Hughes
On 14:09 Fri 18 Feb , Kelly O'Hair wrote: > Excuse the long email, sometimes it can't be avoided. > I much prefer long e-mails, especially ones with good news like this, to things happening behind closed doors :-) > I've been asked to try and start up some discussions around how the > Open