On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 3:20 PM David P. Reed <dpr...@deepplum.com> wrote: > > Here's me wearing my business executive/business consulting hat:
You look good in a hat! > > > If you want a market that fits Cake very well, SME corporate routers and > building-scale routers are perfect. Whereever there's a bottleneck behind > which you have many PCs and consumer devices, etc. Cake can do the job. > (That's better than the bulk of the low end home routers, which still are > installed in apartments with one family as the only traffic source, so just > buying a faster link typically manages the bottleneck OK today). I agree that there are markets in the small biz space. However a lot of fq_codel and cake has already entered that market (fq_codel on pfsense, cake on things like riverbed, evenroute pro, mikrotik), and I have no idea how well it is doing. In any case, building a routing or firewalling product from cake out is quite an undertaking, and my goal with writing up some needed features was to find a way to just support further development. > > > Let's say you are a startup in the Bay Area - you get a Comcast Business > service connection, and then start hiring people with laptops. And maybe you > have some "lights out" server capacity at some colo you pay for, but you > don't buy the highest speed service for your server traffic to get to your > developers' machines (either in the office or remote). > > Seems to me that Cake is the answer, and that answer will run in mini-PCs > (heftier CPUs than today's home routers) that have 2 NICs, each that are GigE > or 2.5 GigE or 40 GigE, depending on your bottleneck bandwidth of the service > you can buy from Comcast Business or your colo facility. I strongly agree that lil business routers that do more of the right things would be good, also "managed wifi". > > > Cake will "just solve" the problem of congestion at that bottleneck, by > pushing back traffic rates fairly to the endpoints on a flow by flow basis. > > > > Now lots of small businesses run something like pFSense at that bottleneck > point on that hardware. > > Others seem to even run something more complex like Proxmox (because it costs > next to nothing) with one of the VMs being the "router". > > > > I'm sure there are lots of small IT support shops that install and maintain > these appliances out there. I don't know any personally, but it's crazy for a > small business to have a full time employee maintain that interconnect. I know of a few managed services companies, but they are small. > > > So, given that Cake would make them more money, I am not entirely certain that reducing service calls makes that kind of shop "more money". >they must be convincable to share some of that with Cake developers. Because >they have deep pockets, Comcast Business (which is a VERY different business >from Comcast residential Internet) would be the first place I'd look. >Presumably they dela with Value Added Resellers who specialize in provisioning >small and medium businesses. I think that some large ISPs' business units would be interested, but that they would to existing vendors more than someone new and shiny. > > > (I once had a nice conversation with Jason Livingood about how Comcast > Business is independent and should be thought of as having very different > tech needs. He might be able to tell you who at Comcast Business might be a > good contact. The same with all the other business Internet access providers > out there.) Thank you for your thoughts. > > > > On Saturday, July 29, 2023 4:49pm, "Dave Taht via Cake" > <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net> said: > > > thank you sebastian and dave for your comments and feedback so far. I > > would like to find other markets for cake, more statistics worth > > collecting, and other ideas, in the hope that we could find something > > fundable out of the mix. > > > > On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 9:07 AM Dave Taht <dave.t...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I don't know if it is possible to multithread cake or not. But I > > > started writing the ideas up here: > > > > > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tTYBPeaRdCO9AGTGQCpoiuLORQzN_bG3TAkEolJPh28/edit?usp=sharing > > > > > > Pretty fragmentary, other use cases, other features, other > > > mis-features, and thoughts requested. > > > > > > -- > > > Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxmoBr4cBKg > > > Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos > > > > > > > > -- > > Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxmoBr4cBKg > > Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos > > _______________________________________________ > > Cake mailing list > > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > > -- Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxmoBr4cBKg Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos _______________________________________________ Cake mailing list Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake
