Re: [Cake] [Bloat] Two questions re high speed congestion management anddatagram protocols

2023-06-27 Thread Dave Taht via Cake
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-ccwg/ is a new wg intended to poke into these issues On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 4:49 PM Stephen Hemminger via Cake wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 12:47:01 -0700 (PDT) > David Lang wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023, David P. Reed via Bloat wrote: > > >

Re: [Cake] [Bloat] Two questions re high speed congestion management anddatagram protocols

2023-06-27 Thread Stephen Hemminger via Cake
On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 12:47:01 -0700 (PDT) David Lang wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023, David P. Reed via Bloat wrote: > > > Sorry for top posting, but ... Bigger question: > > Why would DCCP be deprecated by Linux kernel? > > Who makes that decision? Who argues against it? > > Linus or the

Re: [Cake] [Bloat] Two questions re high speed congestion management anddatagram protocols

2023-06-27 Thread David Lang via Cake
On Mon, 26 Jun 2023, David P. Reed via Bloat wrote: Sorry for top posting, but ... Bigger question: Why would DCCP be deprecated by Linux kernel? Who makes that decision? Who argues against it? Linus or the networking maintaners make the decision. Usually things get pulled from the kernel

Re: [Cake] [Bloat] Two questions re high speed congestion management anddatagram protocols

2023-06-27 Thread Stephen Hemminger via Cake
On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 23:41:59 -0400 (EDT) "David P. Reed" wrote: > Sorry for top posting, but ... Bigger question: > Why would DCCP be deprecated by Linux kernel? > Who makes that decision? Who argues against it? No one uses it, and unused protocols are targeted by hackers. And there are few

Re: [Cake] [Bloat] Two questions re high speed congestion management anddatagram protocols

2023-06-26 Thread David P. Reed via Cake
Sorry for top posting, but ... Bigger question: Why would DCCP be deprecated by Linux kernel? Who makes that decision? Who argues against it? It's a pretty good approach to properly congestion controlling many non-TCP communications protocols that might be implemented on UDP and lack good