Hi Angela, Looking forward to hearing about your personal experiences as a caller and dance organizer with these new terms.
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Mary Collins via Callers < callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > Angela, ah....I see said the blind person. Now it makes sense. Will not > work in my home ultra conservative community and I will certainly need to > practice replacing. It will be interesting to say the least. > Thanks again! > > On Oct 15, 2017 12:21 AM, "Angela DeCarlis" <aedecar...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Mary! A lot has already been written on the subject elsewhere, but the >> summary of why Larks and Ravens has become a great set of terms is that >> they correlate to the (L)eft and (R)ight positions at the end of a swing. >> The syllable count is the same when compared to Gent and Lady (or Man and >> Woman, for that matter), and the terms don't conflict with any dance >> instructions (like how Lead and Follow would, especially if used to call >> for English or Square Dancing). >> >> Another great set of terms are Jets and Rubies, but I've found those >> labels to be more arbitrary...the main advantage is that the words are >> phonetically similar to Gents and Ladies...and I'm not sure whether or not >> that's a good thing! >> >> I hope this helps clarify things for you, and I thank you in advance for >> keeping an open mind about trying these new, genderfree terms soon! In the >> communities I've danced in, I can't tell you how much of a positive >> difference these terms have made for individual dancers and for the >> communities on the balance. But again, more on that can be read elsewhere, >> and I hope to write in with more about my personal experiences as a caller >> and dance organizer soon! >> >> Angela >> >> On Oct 14, 2017 2:09 PM, "Mary Collins" <native...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Ahem Tom...that would be "gender" lol....Seriously, being of the more >>> mature (and I use that term loosely) set, I find all these new names for >>> ROLES to be troublesome and tiresome. Who exactly is a Lark & who exactly >>> are Ravens? Because quite frankly I have mental pictures of both....from >>> literature and music and they could be as offending as gents & ladies or >>> women & men....not to try to start anything here. I am just trying to >>> grasp something that seems to be just a wee bit beyond my reach. Several >>> of my fellow traveling dance friends (of similar age) do not understand >>> these terms either. Since I plan to be traveling and hopefully calling in >>> "your community" sometime, I'd really like to get a handle on this. >>> >>> Mary "24" Collins >>> >>> >>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>> Virus-free. >>> www.avg.com >>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>> <#m_-3056614572501621447_m_7204306495091385479_m_-3621280477174631412_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> “Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass ... it's about >>> learning to dance in the rain!” ~ Unknown >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Tom Hinds <twhi...@earthlink.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Angela. If only we could easily change our gender so we could >>>> understand what it's like to be the other sex. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Angela DeCarlis wrote: >>>> >>>> Tom, I had this conversation with Sue Rosen this summer. Women who >>>> belong to the original Feminist generation (like Sue and, presumably, like >>>> Mary and Martha above) were involved in a cultural movement to abolish the >>>> word "Lady", along with its restrictive connotations, in favor of "Woman". >>>> The latter label, I understand, was one which lent more power and ownership >>>> to its wearers, and so was preferable. You could be however you were, >>>> "ladylike" or not, and still be a Woman. (others, please chime in if I've >>>> gotten anything wrong or missed anything!) >>>> >>>> My generation has an opposite problem: due to the modern-day Gender >>>> Revolution, wherein we seek to abolish the gender dichotomy, terms like >>>> "Woman" and "Man" feel too restrictive and denotative. "Lady" and "Gent" >>>> feel almost more comfortable to some, since they are words that are >>>> slightly more flexible, in some ways. >>>> >>>> One of the biggest problems for both groups, I think, is when the terms >>>> are used interchangeably. >>>> >>>> This is one of my favorite things to think about when it comes to role >>>> terms in dance today! I *love* our community's intergenerationality, and >>>> learning about each other through conversations like this! >>>> >>>> Eventually I hope to get around to writing in about the changes I've >>>> seen at BIDA since switching to Larks and Ravens at the beginning of the >>>> summer. It's been truly remarkable! >>>> >>>> 'Til then, >>>> Angela >>>> >>>> On Oct 14, 2017 9:26 AM, "Mary Collins via Callers" < >>>> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Martha, I dont recall this dance of which you speak. Could you share >>>>> the true title and calls? Thanks! I also cringe over ladies (I don't fit >>>>> that tradition) yet it is a good "place holder, ROLE identifer" for my >>>>> communities. >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 14, 2017 9:06 AM, "Tom Hinds via Callers" < >>>>> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I must have fallen asleep during a discussion of "ladies". What's >>>>>> the issue? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Martha Wild via Callers < >>>>>> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I’ve got a gypsy star dance (I actually call it “Star Wrong” and >>>>>> not just because of the g-word, but because if you say “gypsy star” >>>>>> everybody starts to gypsy and NOT star, so I gave up on that confusing >>>>>> terminology). Haven’t seen another dance like it. The move from mad robin >>>>>> into the star wrong actually flows quite well. I use men and women for >>>>>> roles, not genders. When I first started calling, we considered “lady” to >>>>>> be a four letter word - women’s movement and bra burning and all that. I >>>>>> still find it hard to use the word “lady” and not bristle. Times have >>>>>> changed, now people bristle at men and women. Go figure. 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