Re: [Callers] What can you do.....?

2019-09-30 Thread jim saxe via Callers
> On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Bill Baritompa via Callers > wrote: > > Hi Becky, John and all, > > I think it is slightly more complex. > Have a look at the young dancer here > https://youtu.be/sFVToeQdCPY?t=385 > She does not look awkward and the flow is good. > > ... I still think

Re: [Callers] What can you do.....?

2019-09-29 Thread jim saxe via Callers
Becky Liddle via Callers wrote: > What was helpful to me to begin to feel/notice flow were comments from the > caller during the walk-thru that primed me to pay attention to flow: things > like “when we dance this to music, you’ll notice that your momentum from the > ___ move carries you right

Re: [Callers] Tempos for Contras (was Re: Tempo for Squares)

2019-09-22 Thread jim saxe via Callers
I'd expect a contra dance tempo in the 80s to feel not merely slow, but excruciatingly slow, especially if in the low 80s. To get an idea, try playing one of the Youtube videos in the slower half of the list I posted on Wednesday afternoon, and then use YouTube's "Settings" control (click on th

Re: [Callers] Tempo

2019-09-22 Thread jim saxe via Callers
While looking for more videos of contra dancing in Denmark, I instead came across a video in which Danish caller Else Bach Nielsen calls a New-England-style square (coincidentally written by Tom Hinds) to the music of visiting American band Phantom Power: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ

Re: [Callers] Tempo

2019-09-22 Thread jim saxe via Callers
I looked for videos of contra dancing in Denmark and found these three: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hhxwVuoI2g (119-120 BPM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4KB-uSWkKc (117-118 BPM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03ALEBBtUbc (~113 BPM) These all seem to be from the same even

Re: [Callers] Saving myself after a crash

2019-09-21 Thread jim saxe via Callers
Becky, I may be off-base about this, and I'd welcome differing opinions from other list members, especially if they're based on actual experience, but I expect you would find some dancers who seemed *amazingly* resistant to dancing a hash-called recovery routine of the sort that you describe.

[Callers] Tempos for Contras (was Re: Tempo for Squares)

2019-09-21 Thread jim saxe via Callers
On Sep 21, 2019, at 1:14 PM, I (jim saxe ) wrote, in response to Rich Sbardella's question about tempos for (New England) squares vs. for contras: > My impression, though I don't have solid data to back it up, is ... To illustrate the difficulties of gathering solid data on such matters, here's

Re: [Callers] Tempo for Squares

2019-09-21 Thread jim saxe via Callers
Rich, My impression, though I don't have solid data to back it up, is that in communities where it is (or was) common to mix contra with New-England-style phrased squares, the tempos for the squares tend(ed) to run pretty similar to tempos for contras in the same community, or perhaps just a li

Re: [Callers] Roll Away Square

2019-09-16 Thread jim saxe via Callers
The March 1975 issue of _Sets In Order_ magazine has this on page 39; CHEROKEE ROAD (42) By Ken Down, Scotia, New York Heads right and left thru Cross trail thru Separate go around two make a line of four Just the boys roll a half sashay Just the girls roll a ha

[Callers] Empowering people to say "Yes" while also empowering them to say "No"

2019-09-13 Thread jim saxe via Callers
In discussions among dance callers and organizers, online and off, a variety of topics come up from time to time that might be grouped under the heading of empowering people (especially new dancers) to say "No". Some examples: * Assuring new dancers that it's ok to decline an invitation

Re: [Callers] Including Mobility Challenged Dancers

2019-09-12 Thread jim saxe via Callers
There are some adjustments that people can make to compensate to inability to move quickly, for example allemanding just halfway instead of once and a half; swinging just halfway around instead of once and a half or twice and a half (or zero times instead of once, twice, or more); skipping a mov

Re: [Callers] Using music in the pre-dance lesson

2019-09-12 Thread jim saxe via Callers
Thanks to all who have offered comments, on-list and off, about using music during a contra dance newcomers' orientation. I have follow-up questions to some of the things people have said. I also welcome anybody's additional comment on any aspect of the subject, whether or not they relate to m

[Callers] Using music in the pre-dance lesson

2019-09-10 Thread jim saxe via Callers
I'd like to hear from any of you who can share experience or advice about making use of music during the introductory lesson (a/k/a "new dancers' orientation", "beginners' workshop", etc.) that often precedes a regularly scheduled contradance. What source of music do you use? (Recorded music pl

Re: [Callers] Brain Dead - Need Suggestions

2019-09-02 Thread jim saxe via Callers
On Aug 29, 2019, at 9:22 PM, K Panton via Callers wrote (re teaching about the relation of dance figures to the music): > As it happens, I'm calling a regular contra evening in a few weeks and I'm > going to experiment, right off the top of the beginner session, by playing a > tune (i.e. star

Re: [Callers] Brain Dead - Need Suggestions

2019-08-22 Thread jim saxe via Callers
On Aug 18, 2019, at 7:33 AM, Linda S. Mrosko via Callers wrote: > I think I'll focus on quickly saying something like the difference between > reels (animated alligators) and jigs (all the kings horses...) ... Linda, I presume and hope that if you use "animated alligators", "all the kings ho

Re: [Callers] Brain Dead - Need Suggestions

2019-08-19 Thread jim saxe via Callers
On Aug 18, 2019, at 7:33 AM, Linda S. Mrosko via Callers wrote: > And 4 potatoes. Anybody got a good 4 potatoes story? I have one. You may think that "4 potatoes" is an old traditional name for that little sequence of fiddle shuffles sometime used to start off a tune. San Francisco Bay

Re: [Callers] Brain Dead - Need Suggestions

2019-08-17 Thread jim saxe via Callers
Linda, I'll hazard a guess that the request to lead "dances that encourage really paying attention to beat counts" is really a request for dances that keep everyone dancing together in time to the phrasing of the music. I think that skilled contra/ECD/Scottish/... dancers who dance to the phra

Re: [Callers] "Dixie Twirl" term

2019-08-08 Thread jim saxe via Callers
I rather like the term Greg Frock's suggestion (not claimed to be original) of "Thread the Needle". While I've heard "Thread the Needle" used with other meanings, I think there's little danger of confusion in the contra context, especially since that the action is rare enough that the caller wi

Re: [Callers] Riffing on "The Nice Combination"

2019-08-02 Thread jim saxe via Callers
I believe the star would be once around. Note that the Gents/Larks would chain by the left hand, ending on the left of their respective neighbors. --Jim On Aug 2, 2019, at 1:37 PM, DAVID HARDING via Callers suggested > A1 N B&S > A2 Down hall, turn as couple, up hall > B1 Circle RIGHT 3/4, s

Re: [Callers] Contra Corners Dance

2019-07-11 Thread jim saxe via Callers
A nice easy dance for introducing Contra Corners is "Down by the Riverside" by Melanie Axel-Lute: http://www.maxellute.net/down.html The dance is a progressive 3-face-3, ending with a basket swing in B2 after which dancer open out with anyone in the middle, facing a new threesome. Like E

[Callers] What are they thunking? (was Re: Hand Turns & Safety)

2019-07-08 Thread jim saxe via Callers
On May 18, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Rich Dempsey via Callers wrote, regarding flat-hand allemanders: > ... I still don't understand what those people are thinking. The question of "what those people are thinking" often comes to my mind in relation to dance style points in general. A caller (wheth

Re: [Callers] Calling techno?

2019-03-29 Thread jim saxe via Callers
On Mar 28, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Bob via Callers wrote: > ... > Live or mixed recordings? If live then it should be perfectly square AABB. If > mixed, the only thing you can count on is 8-beat phrases. ... Can you even count on 8-beat phrases if someone, such as a caller or a knowledgeable DJ, ha

Re: [Callers] Opposite StarThru and functional difference in LD v Slide

2019-03-24 Thread jim saxe via Callers
On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:52 PM, I wrote: > > The term "Left Star Thru" was indeed sometimes used in to refer to a varian > of Star Thru using the gent's right hand and lady's left. Ooops. Of course, I meant to say "... a variant of Star Thru using the gent's _left_ hand and lady's _right_. --Jim

Re: [Callers] [External] Re: Opposite StarThru and functional difference in LD v Slide

2019-03-24 Thread jim saxe via Callers
On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:51 PM, Don Veino via Callers wrote: > > I think I've actually heard Arizona Twirl from somewhere as well. > > In the interest of keeping the lexicon as small as possible, why not just say > "with inside hands, twirl to swap" or similar? >From the position of facing coupl

Re: [Callers] Opposite StarThru and functional difference in LD v Slide

2019-03-24 Thread jim saxe via Callers
On Mar 21, 2019, at 2:29 PM, Rich Sbardella wrote (in part): > Many MWSD calls have left versions. For example Pass Thru (by right > shoulder) and Left Pass thru (by left shoulder). Swing Thru is another. > Swing thru is turn half by the left, half by the right, but Left Swing Thru > is tur

Re: [Callers] Opposite StarThru and functional difference in LD v Slide

2019-03-21 Thread jim saxe via Callers
On Mar 21, 2019, at 12:02 PM, John Sweeney via Callers wrote: > Hi Seth, > 1) Larry Jennings has a whole section on this in Give-and-Take. > Page 42: Effective Lingo. > > He suggests that you don’t need any fancy names. Just use > “Twirl to Swap”. As you do the wal

Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

2019-02-20 Thread jim saxe via Callers
Alexandra Deis-Lauby wrote: > If the figure is new to your dancers, use a triplet (by David smuckler) or a > three facing three (Melanie axel lute wrote one). Contra corners is much > easier in that formation. You can find Melanie Axel-Lute's "Down by the Riverside" here: http://www.maxe

Re: [Callers] Calling a "box circulate"

2019-01-07 Thread jim saxe via Callers
On Jan 7, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Jonathan Sivier via Callers wrote: > > Back in the 1980's, when I first encountered dances with this figure, the > term "Box Circulate" hadn't been coined as far as I know. I've only been > hearing that term fairly recently (which could easily be 10 years or more

Re: [Callers] "Second" ONS

2018-10-24 Thread jim saxe via Callers
Allison, Thanks for your answers. They were exactly on target at addressing the spirit of my questions and were quite informative. Thanks for clarifying that the issue about Mad Scatter was anxiety about not finding new partners, and not about anyone being fixated on some idea like "I want to

Re: [Callers] "Second" ONS

2018-10-24 Thread jim saxe via Callers
Good advice from both Alan and Rich. I agree with Rich that you could repeat more than one well-received dance from last time. Alan wrote: > and have a couple slightly more challenging ones - with progression, etc - up > your sleeve but without any emotional investment in actually using them.

Re: [Callers] Great dances for learning how to dance with ghosts?

2018-04-11 Thread jim saxe via Callers
On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:18 AM, Tom Hinds wrote: > Jim, maybe the meager response was because you didn't give an example. And > what does "the DL;TR crowd" mean? I didn't give an explicit example in my 2014 message https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/msg07945.html b

Re: [Callers] Great dances for learning how to dance with ghosts?

2018-04-10 Thread jim saxe via Callers
On Apr 6, 2018, at 3:49 PM, Yoyo Zhou via Callers wrote: > I recall reading something, possibly from Jim Saxe on this list (and maybe > from Larry Jennings?), about how in most dances without out-of-minor-set > interactions, you come back into the set ... once - after progressing to the > end

Re: [Callers] New (?) 4x4 contra

2018-04-03 Thread jim saxe via Callers
Luke, You wrote: > I'm especially curious if something similar exists in the square dance > repertoire; specifically the figure used in B1 Ron Buchanan's dance "Heymania" http://www.quiteapair.us/calling/acdol/dance/acd_210.html includes interlocking heys similar to the your "all 8 half

Re: [Callers] Politically Correct?

2018-03-27 Thread jim saxe via Callers
An important thing to remember is that sometimes *you just can't please everyone* no matter what you do. That applies not only to issues that some would characterize as being about "political correctness" (singing call lyrics; the "g-word"; gendered vs. gender-free names for dance roles), but to m

Re: [Callers] Good dances with challenging timing

2018-02-07 Thread jim saxe via Callers
Here's a dance that I think rewards good timing: Brimmer and May Reel by Dan Pearl Duple improper contra A1. Balance and swing (new) neighbor A2. Right and left through #1 couple swing B1. Down the hall four in line (4!) #1 couple (in center) C

Re: [Callers] Seeking *lists* of tunes for patter squares

2017-08-01 Thread jim saxe via Callers
Folks, When I sent out my request back in May soliciting lists of recommended tunes for patter squares, I wrote: > ... If you got this query via a mailing list, please send > tune lists directly to me and *not* to the entire mailing list. > .., I'm trying to see which tunes get mentioned > *indep

[Callers] Second call Re: Seeking *lists* of tunes for patter squares

2017-07-03 Thread jim saxe via Callers
Folks, This is a reminder about the query I sent out in May asking for people's lists of recommended tunes for patter squares. If you were thinking of sending me such a list, please do. While I've gotten some responses, the number so far has been disappointingly low. (If anyone knows of some ot

[Callers] Quiet (was Super easy dances - do they exist?)

2017-06-18 Thread jim saxe via Callers
Linda Mrosko asked: > As an aside -- how do you quiet a room with terrible acoustics full of loud > people? Thanks! John Sweeney replied: > Last time I had the challenge of working with a room full of noisy > youngsters (most of whom didn’t speak English) I just led by example, > start

Re: [Callers] Docey-Doe (Was: Swing Like Thunder)

2017-06-15 Thread jim saxe via Callers
On Jun 15, 2017, at 3:08 AM, John Sweeney wrote: > There is a very good example of the rollaway into a Docey-Doe, that Tony > mentions, in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfZZdB2MyKs at 5:16. ... And note how the start of the 'Docey-Doe" is described in the narration: "From the circle, the ladi

Re: [Callers] Swing Like Thunder

2017-06-14 Thread jim saxe via Callers
Deborah Hyland wrote: > > The next question I had was whether the circles got progressively bigger or > > whether it was always circles of 4. Thanks so much! And Tony Parkes replied, in part: > One could conceivably use a Texas do-si-do (now called do-paso just about > everywhere) with circles

Re: [Callers] Docey-Doe (Was: Swing Like Thunder)

2017-06-14 Thread jim saxe via Callers
The version of the "Docey-Doe" done by Shaw's exhibition group, the Cheyenne Mountain Dancers, can be seen multiple times in this video: https://squaredancehistory.com/items/show/769 also at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA-Qoipv-Kk Tony Parkes wrote: > ... the instructions in Shaw’

Re: [Callers] Calling at Free Folk Festival

2017-06-01 Thread jim saxe via Callers
Clare, I've called at the SF Free Folk Festival before. As Nick says, you can expect to see a fair number of experienced contra dancers there. This was true even last year, when S was also a one-day event with the evening contra opposite the Palo Alto contra, and I think the San Rafael contr