[Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?

2010-11-26 Thread Isaac Gouy
Fabrice Le Fessant Fabrice.Le_fessant at inria.fr writes: -snip- Anyway, I decided to stop trying to improve the solutions, and work on improving the compiler and its libraries instead. It might benefit to ocaml ranking in the shootout, but more importantely, it will benefit to everybody

[Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?

2010-11-24 Thread Isaac Gouy
Thanassis Tsiodras ttsiodras at gmail.com writes: -snip- However, when I actually went to the Language Shootout page suggested in the article, I found out that OCaml is not 2nd, it is 13th, behind languages like Haskell and C#...

[Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?

2010-11-23 Thread Isaac Gouy
Christophe TROESTLER Christophe.Troestler+ocaml at umh.ac.be writes: On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 02:03:48 +, Isaac Gouy wrote: C version : 12.11 secs OCaml version : 47.22 secs OCaml version with GC parameters tuned (interesting alternative section) : 12.67 secs And of course

[Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?

2010-11-23 Thread Isaac Gouy
Is that book the source for the quotation 'Lies--damned lies--and statistics'? Fabrice Le Fessant fabrice.le_fessant at inria.fr writes: Maybe you should read Tainted Truth: The Manipulation of Fact In America by Cynthia Crossen ? ___ Caml-list

[Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?

2010-11-23 Thread Isaac Gouy
Jon Harrop jonathandeanharrop at googlemail.com writes: Note that the regex-dna solution for Haskell tweaks its GC parameters via the -H command-line parameter: Note that there is no restriction on tuning the GC for regex-dna. Note that there is no restriction on tuning the GC for any task

[Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?

2010-11-23 Thread Isaac Gouy
Jon Harrop jonathandeanharrop at googlemail.com writes: Ketil Malde crafted a much better solution but noted: This is considered cheating, since it is the easy and natural way to do it. - http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Shootout/Knucleotide Not even cheating - just an answer to a

[Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?

2010-11-23 Thread Isaac Gouy
Mark Diekhans markd at kermodei.com writes: The source of this pharse is unknown, however Mark Twain is credited with making it well known: There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics. http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/maths/histstat/lies.htm

[Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?

2010-11-23 Thread Isaac Gouy
Török Edwin edwintorok at gmail.com writes: -snip- Sounds good. Then Ocaml could still win if it performs well on the other benchmarks. The main benchmarks game summary is median and quartiles so one measurement doesn't have much influence. There are several tasks which have worse

[Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?

2010-11-23 Thread Isaac Gouy
Gerd Stolpmann info at gerd-stolpmann.de writes: -snip- I do not say that it is complete nonsense to do this comparison, but only that it is more specific than a reader would assume. A reader's wrong assumptions are their own responsibility:

[Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?

2010-11-23 Thread Isaac Gouy
Gerd Stolpmann info at gerd-stolpmann.de writes: (It would be actually interesting to compare various versions of this test with different memory management methods.) So do that comparison and publish the results. Please don't tell me what I am supposed to do. I'm not a troll like

[Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?

2010-11-23 Thread Isaac Gouy
Christophe TROESTLER Christophe.Troestler+ocaml at umh.ac.be writes: -snip- The question is why is C allowed to use an external library for managing its memory I asked why you think C should not be allowed to use memory pools - you haven't tried to answer that question. If you think that C

[Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?

2010-11-23 Thread Isaac Gouy
Andrew newsgroups.fr at gmail.com writes: +1. Seriously, Isaac, try to calm down, everything is fine. You might want to read what others write, I have the feeling that many people were making valid points, whereas you have mostly been turning down any objection by pointing people to the same

[Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?

2010-11-22 Thread Isaac Gouy
David Rajchenbach-Teller David.Teller at univ-orleans.fr writes: I can confirm that old code-snippets were removed (and that both faster solutions and environment variable tweaks were rejected). Even back in 2001, Doug Bagley had noted all the things that were wrong with the tasks on his The

[Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?

2010-11-22 Thread Isaac Gouy
Gerd Stolpmann info at gerd-stolpmann.de writes: -snip- I think the shootout is not a good data source. There are definitely some very poor Ocaml results there, so I'd guess the shootout got recently more attention by enthusiasts of other languages, and the current Ocaml programs there are