Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Capport "API"

2017-04-06 Thread Martin Thomson
On 7 April 2017 at 10:44, David Bird wrote: > the more familiar "boingo.com" in the FQDN You mean boıngo.com ? Looks legit. On the larger subject, as a browser person, the real reason for sandboxing is - I believe - privacy. One basic security assumption for the web is that it is easy to cau

Re: [Captive-portals] captive portal detectors

2017-04-06 Thread Michael Richardson
David Bird wrote: > - I think statements like 'portals attempt to deceive hosts' > reinforces the belief that captive portals are themselves hostile, > while in fact I think you mean public access networks are hostile. No, I don't think that I'm saying that. We have created a bunch

Re: [Captive-portals] captive portal detectors

2017-04-06 Thread David Bird
I think there are some good ideas here, however, :-) - Is this really about "captive portals" or "public access" networks? - I think statements like 'portals attempt to deceive hosts' reinforces the belief that captive portals are themselves hostile, while in fact I think you mean public access

[Captive-portals] captive portal detectors

2017-04-06 Thread Michael Richardson
Michael Richardson wrote: > Yes, I agree. That's the carrot part. "Do X and life will be better" > But, I was talking about the stick part: "Until you do X, you'll get a > bad review" > I realize that this isn't a protocol we can write. It is something > that the occured

Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Capport "API"

2017-04-06 Thread Michael Richardson
David Bird wrote: > A note about capport detection evasion: It is not always on purpose... > As more hotspots do "social login" applications, they are opening up > the walled garden surprisingly wide to get that to work... I think that within the Android ecosystem (which I know a lot

Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Capport "API"

2017-04-06 Thread Michael Richardson
Dave Dolson wrote: > I’d like to hear from browser vendors as to why the browser gets > sandboxed when interacting with a captive portal. Security in layers. The browser contains lots of interesting cookies and other state. A captive portal could, for instance, provide a stack of img UR

Re: [Captive-portals] Arguments against (any) Capport "API"

2017-04-06 Thread Michael Richardson
David Bird wrote: > I agree, but chances are VERY high that _something_ will trigger the Os > capport detection to give the user a captive portal notification. If > not, then the walled garden is so large that the UE (nor the user) Only if the user hasn't got another network connect