Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-15 Thread Jonathan Rockway
Max Afonov wrote: > If Java-trapped Eclipse is that tool, then be it. Eclipse runs perfectly with GCJ (compiled to native code) or GIJ (interpreted). The Java Trap doesn't apply to Eclipse. -- package JAPH;use Catalyst qw/-Debug/;($;=JAPH)->config(name => do { $,.=reverse qw[Jonathan tsu rehto

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-15 Thread Jules Bean
TCB wrote: I don't use OS X but one caveat with Eclipse if you decide to check it out, you need to use Sun java, not anything else. Getting rid of the gnu java emulation and getting 'real' java on a debian box was a minor pain, while getting it onto an OpenBSD machine was easy but took a very lon

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-15 Thread TCB
I think things like Aptana are the real strength of Eclipse. The same IDE can be used to check javascript and html, pure java apps, Perl code, talk to cvs/svn, connect to an Oracle database, etc. and so on. For many, many people that alone makes it a better choice than Komodo or pretty much anythin

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-15 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 04:34:31PM +, Ash Berlin wrote: > > For vim I use the MiniBuffExplorer plugin and split windows - give you > tab like interface, and is faster than gvim7's own tabs IMO. > Dare I mention that Eclipse has a perl personality now-a-days. Joe -- Josef Karthauser ([EMAI

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-15 Thread Michele Beltrame
Hello! I use a strange combination of vim+gvim+gedit but I find it fits my needs perfectly. Some developers in my company who want something resembling a good-looking IDE use Aptana (Eclipse based), which ain't bad. Michele. -- Michele Beltrame http://www.varlogarthas.net/ ICQ# 76660101 Informa

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Marcello Romani
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: I hesitate to ask this question because it seems to often result in some juvenille flame war. Everyone is different, with different needs and preferences. That's why we have choices. It's Perl after all, right? [grin] With that out of the way, what IDE or editor

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Kiki
Max Afonov wrote: > > Emacs and Eclipse, and even vim to a certain degree, are platforms > that can be either used as simple editors, or morphed by the user into > comprehensive development environments. Unfortunately for many, these > platforms are like DIY remote-controlled car kits: assembly is

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Max Afonov
Jonathan Rockway wrote: Exactly. Somewhat like this: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html We could be slipping off topic here because I was talking about TextMate not being free as in parking as opposed to Free as in beer. That is not to say that I do not subscribe anymore to this

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Krzysztof Krzyżaniak
"Max Afonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I've never had this issue. > I worked with a guy who used it for his everyday coding. He seemed to have > gotten used to 5-minute delays when saving a file. *sigh* > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> "Christopher H. Laco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >>>

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Max Afonov
I worked with a guy who used it for his everyday coding. He seemed to have gotten used to 5-minute delays when saving a file. *sigh* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Christopher H. Laco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Christopher H. Laco wrote: Ian Docherty wrote: Have you looked at Ul

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Krzysztof Krzyżaniak wrote: > "Christopher H. Laco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Christopher H. Laco wrote: >>> Ian Docherty wrote: Have you looked at UltraEdit for Windows (unfortunately no version for Linux) http://www.ultraedit.com/ I think it gives you everyth

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread JT Justman
Ian Docherty wrote: > Have you looked at UltraEdit for Windows (unfortunately no version for > Linux) > I am a long time devotee of EditPad Pro, which DOES have a (non-free) Linux version. I'm just about as handy with vim, since I spend a lot of time working over ssh, but when it comes down to ha

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Krzysztof Krzyżaniak
"Christopher H. Laco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Christopher H. Laco wrote: >> Ian Docherty wrote: >>> Have you looked at UltraEdit for Windows (unfortunately no version for >>> Linux) >>> >>> http://www.ultraedit.com/ >>> >>> I think it gives you everything you listed and more. >>> >>> Regards

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Christopher H. Laco wrote: > Ian Docherty wrote: >> Have you looked at UltraEdit for Windows (unfortunately no version for >> Linux) >> >> http://www.ultraedit.com/ >> >> I think it gives you everything you listed and more. >> >> Regards >> Ian Docherty > > Last time I tried it, I hated it. Felt l

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Jonathan Rockway
Max Afonov wrote: > ...TextMate is a great application that is very much in keeping with > core Mac UI guidelines. I tried using it for a few projects, and I have > to say that it's excellent. But here's what I don't like about TextMate: > it's not free. Not meaning to sound cheap and nitpicking, b

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Ian Docherty wrote: > Have you looked at UltraEdit for Windows (unfortunately no version for > Linux) > > http://www.ultraedit.com/ > > I think it gives you everything you listed and more. > > Regards > Ian Docherty Last time I tried it, I hated it. Felt like the interface was too busy...and fr

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Ian Docherty
Have you looked at UltraEdit for Windows (unfortunately no version for Linux) http://www.ultraedit.com/ I think it gives you everything you listed and more. Regards Ian Docherty Christopher H. Laco wrote: Max Afonov wrote: Now the funny part is that you did NOT recommend Eclips

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Krzysztof Krzyżaniak
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I hesitate to ask this question because it seems to often result in > some juvenille flame war. Everyone is different, with different needs > and preferences. That's why we have choices. It's Perl after all, > right? [grin] > > With that out of the way, what IDE or e

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Max Afonov
Christopher H. Laco wrote: I'm really really picky about my editors. I've used Textpad on Windows forever, and recently SCite. What I look for in an editor is that the toolbar is slim, but I have a lot of options under hood. [snip] Eclipse was always slow for me.. compared to Textpad/Scite.

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Max Afonov wrote: > Now the funny part is that you did NOT recommend Eclipse after all! I'm really really picky about my editors. I've used Textpad on Windows forever, and recently SCite. What I look for in an editor is that the toolbar is slim, but I have a lot of options under hood. For me, tho

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Max Afonov
Now the funny part is that you did NOT recommend Eclipse after all! Christopher H. Laco wrote: Max Afonov wrote: A few of my fellow Perl developers here have adopted Eclipse as their IDE of choice. Coupled with http://e-p-i-c.sf.net/ and it's fabulous CVS/SVN support it's a perfect tool for

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread TCB
I've been messing a bit with this of late myself. I've tried using Eclipse (www.eclipse.org) for a while with the (quite nice) Perl plug-in, mostly because it let me work on both XP boxes and *nix machines pretty easily with a nearly identical user experience. Also, if you have to work with databas

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Max Afonov
A few of my fellow Perl developers here have adopted Eclipse as their IDE of choice. Coupled with http://e-p-i-c.sf.net/ and it's fabulous CVS/SVN support it's a perfect tool for those who like to see 'the big picture'. Christopher H. Laco wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hesitate to ask

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Max Afonov wrote: > A few of my fellow Perl developers here have adopted Eclipse as their > IDE of choice. Coupled with http://e-p-i-c.sf.net/ and it's fabulous > CVS/SVN support it's a perfect tool for those who like to see 'the big > picture'. EPIC. Never heard of it. ;-) http://e-p-i-c.sourc

[Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread catalyst . 20 . chsg
I hesitate to ask this question because it seems to often result in some juvenille flame war. Everyone is different, with different needs and preferences. That's why we have choices. It's Perl after all, right? [grin] With that out of the way, what IDE or editor works well for you? My default

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Steve Atkins
On Nov 14, 2006, at 8:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hesitate to ask this question because it seems to often result in some juvenille flame war. Everyone is different, with different needs and preferences. That's why we have choices. It's Perl after all, right? [grin] With that out of th

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Anthony Gardner
Eclipse might do you with the Perl plugin (EPIC) and other plugins (subversion for example)Unfortunately, there isn't a plugin for catalyst as there is for RoR :((that's a disguised hint at anyone who's interested in writing one) ;) lol[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hesitate to ask this question becaus

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Jonathan Rockway
Ash Berlin wrote: > For vim I use the MiniBuffExplorer plugin and split windows - give you > tab like interface, and is faster than gvim7's own tabs IMO. emacs' iswitchb mode is much nicer, as is cperl-mode :) Also, you can test your web applications right in your editor, thanks the the built-in

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Ash Berlin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hesitate to ask this question because it seems to often result in some juvenille flame war. Everyone is different, with different needs and preferences. That's why we have choices. It's Perl after all, right? [grin] With that out of the way, what IDE or editor works

Re: [Catalyst] IDE/editor

2006-11-14 Thread Christopher H. Laco
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I hesitate to ask this question because it seems to often result in > some juvenille flame war. Everyone is different, with different needs > and preferences. That's why we have choices. It's Perl after all, > right? [grin] > > With that out of the way, what IDE or ed