I totally agree with Linda that the Cayuga Birds List Serve is not the arena
for debates. I thought this site was for bird observations.
Dick Clements
From: Linda Orkin
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 11:43 AM
To: Meena Haribal
Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Birders & Hunters on Cayuga Lake
Hey All,
I would just like to reiterate that I think this subject is very worthy of
further discussion with knowledgeable people engaged in the pros and cons of
establishing some gun free zones around the lake shore. I do not consider
myself to be that knowledgeable person but I see from what has already been
offered here that there are many of you out there.
The listserv will probably not be the best arena for this, as is already
apparent. Passions can run high on a subject like this. As passions can
escalate quickly on almost any conservation issue, land use issue, pet freedom
issue etc.
Can some of us take steps to begin a face to face conversation and see where
this might take us? I am not sure if the Conservation Action Committee of the
Cayuga Bird Club would be a willing facilitator but I think that might offer at
least a venue.
Perhaps interested people can communicate privately about next steps?
Thanks.
Linda Orkin
Cayuga Bird Club
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Meena Haribal <m...@cornell.edu> wrote:
Hi all,
First of all, after reading John’s post, when I suggested that CBC should do
something about hunting was not to stop hunting, but to designate some
locations on the lake to be free from being hunting locations, so both birders
and birds can enjoy some peace.
Why is it wrong if birders feel that they love to have some locations free of
hunters and hunting? Don’t we think we also have same right as hunters who
think they would love to hunt in all areas? So come to a compromise!
So what is wrong in making some good locations on Cayuga Lake bird and birder
friendly?
Hunters can share some locations with us for our pleasure! I think number of
birders and hunters around Cayuga lake must be very similar if not higher for
birders.
I think sport hunting is the one which bothers me, if you are hunting for
food then it is ok with me, but just for the pleasure of killing something that
definitely annoys me. If you are thinking of sports of hunting flying objects,
have some artificial targets or may be try some falling leaves or some other
similar targets.
Sorry for bursting out like this, instead of working on the proposal!
Meena
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[mailto:bounce-72561577-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Nari Mistry
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:53 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Birders & Hunters on Cayuga Lake
I strongly endorse the wise comments of Jody Enck & Ken Rosenberg asking for
restraint in advocating for a ban on duck hunting on Cayuga Lake.
Birders tend to believe that we are a huge beneficial community that can do
no wrong. The reality is that the world looks at us with benign amusement. To
set ourselves up as "our viewpoint is best for everyone" is a mistake. I am
just as concerned about gunshots and disturbance of wildlife and humans, but I
don't think we can justify a ban.
While bird conservation arguments may be useful, it does not appear to me
that waterfowl conservation is threatened by hunting on Cayuga Lake, as Ken has
pointed out. So the argument becomes just "my preference against others'."
Pushing for a ban on duck-hunting on the lake can easily be regarded by
hunters as the first step in trying to ban hunting in the fields and woods,
leading to acrimonious name-calling and the end of any good relationship
between birders and land-owners, hunters and "real" people.
A much better course of action would be to have a dialog with duck-hunters
clubs and to explain the beneficial need for hunting away from shore and
avoiding deliberate disturbance and flushing of birds to gain an advantage.
I hope a reasonable course of action is chosen.
Nari Mistry
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