Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 rotation convention

2007-08-13 Thread Edward Berry
Someone should design a device like a compass gimbal with an extra ring for teaching euler's angles, patent it (Gnu hardware license- world demand is probably 100 pieces), and persuade Hampton research or MitEGen to manufacture it. The device (picture at (http://sb20.lbl.gov/berry/Euler2.gif), bu

Re: [ccp4bb] extra density on Cysteine

2007-08-13 Thread Artem Evdokimov
Hi, They're likely both BME adducts, just in the first case the CH2CH2OH portion is way more disordered. Artem _ From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:59 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb]

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 rotation convention

2007-08-13 Thread Edward A. Berry
How about this (may be way off base): Any transformation can be seen either as moving of the coordinates in a fixed coordinate system, or as a "change of coordinates" and expressing the position of the same object with respect to the new coordinates. In molecular replacement it is convenient to

Re: [ccp4bb] domains missing

2007-08-13 Thread price
Hi, Did you do rigid body refinement or regular minimization? If over half your structure is missing, anything besides rigid body refinement will probably just bias the phases toward "nothing" in the rest of the asymmetric unit. I've had correct molrep solutions with R-factors that high, s

Re: [ccp4bb] My flower crystals

2007-08-13 Thread James Whisstock
Hi Lily We have had this problem too, and it can be unpleasant! The skin is not too much of a problem if the crystals are robust - but your's sound V fragile. We became reasonably adept at lifting / cutting the skin off and harvesting the (usually sadly decimated) remains. Sometimes setting

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 rotation convention

2007-08-13 Thread Bernhard Rupp
Hmmmthis explanation seems to add another discrepancy - I think the connection to the physical process is lost - I cannot rotate first about something I don't have yet. Let me try to interpret what E wrote: "I just have to write out matrices: CCP4 rotation matrix: [R11 R12 R13] [x] [R21 R22

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 rotation convention

2007-08-13 Thread Philippe DUMAS
Just my own amount of salt in the Rotation function soup... I just want to try defending the poor little Euler angles. First, Euler invented them... Yes ! Second, only Euler angles yield a very nice interpretation of Rot Funct symmetry in terms of space group. See the two venerable papers: Tollin

[ccp4bb] My flower crystals

2007-08-13 Thread Jinzhi Tan
Dear All, The crystals of my protein always grow from one point to all of the direction, with very very thin plates intersecting with each other. And also heavy skin on the surface. It is difficult to remove the skin when mounting the crystals. The precipitant contains 25% PEGMME 5000. I tri

[ccp4bb] domains missing

2007-08-13 Thread Wu, Mousheng
Hi, ccp4 community, I am solving my protein (300 aa) structure using molecular replacement. The space group is P622. There is only one molecule in the ASU. The protein is supported to have three domains. We have solved the domain 1 (120aa) structure; therefore we tried to use it as a model to solv

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 rotation convention

2007-08-13 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi folks I hate to say this but I think everyone here has got it wrong to some degree (including myself - and I hereby retract my previous e-mail and issue the correction below!). If you don't believe me then read & digest Jorge Navaza's article "Rotation functions" in Int. Tab. Vol. F (sect 13

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 rotation convention

2007-08-13 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Bernhard Yes you are right, these descriptions cannot be talking about the same overall rotation, assuming the angles are defined in the same way of course (i.e. assuming that alpha & gamma have not been switched round in the J.Appl.Cryst. paper you refer to). The 'Crowther' convention (used c

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 rotation convention - long comments

2007-08-13 Thread Sacha Urzhumtsev
Dear all, dear Bernhard, Even when we already had an exchange by mails with Bernhard after he sent his question, I hope it might be useful for many, especially young crystallographers, to follow the problem. Phil Evans writes in acta D57 1355 (2001) on p 1358 section 5.2: "the conventio

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 rotation convention

2007-08-13 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I just have to write out matrices: CCP4 rotation matrix: [R11 R12 R13] [x] [R21 R22 R23] [y]where x y z are orthogonal coordinates relative to fixed axes... [R31 R32 R33] [z] represents a rotation of ccordinates by first gamma then beta then alpha as Phil says: [R11 R12 R13] [R21 R22

Re: [ccp4bb] libcheck question

2007-08-13 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Whats in the cif file? Is it a set of coordinates or a library description? Eleanor Mark A Saper wrote: I'm new to using LIBCHECK. I'm trying to make an appropriate library for the MSO ligand. I have a .cif file that I downloaded from Gerard's site. When running LIBCHECK, if I use MON MSO and

[ccp4bb] Posts available at EMBL-EBI

2007-08-13 Thread Kim Henrick
There are 3 posts available at the European Bioinformatics Institute within the MSD group, the European Partner in the wwPDB Software Engineer: For a 3D Electron Microscopy Project in partnership with the RCSB (Rutgers) and Baylor College Houston http://www-db.embl.de/jss/servlet/de.embl.bk.emblG