Re: [ccp4bb] Using SFall for map conversion

2020-05-15 Thread Philippe BENAS
Dear Bernhard, Is it an old map ? Back to the old VAX times I had to dump CCP4 maps to ascii map files, then swap bytes from VAX-DOS to Unix before converting them again to a CCP4 map format (I think I was using mapman from USF) on a Unix workstation and be able to read them in Frodo-Strasbour

Re: [ccp4bb] Using SFall for map conversion

2020-05-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
maprot will rewrite your map with a changed axis order, as required for sfall. And grateful as I am to see someone still loyal to sfall, 40+ years after it wa written!, there are more modern tools. In the CCP4I interace go to Map & Mask faculities Clipper Map tools, and there is a map to SFS utilit

Re: [ccp4bb] Using SFall for map conversion

2020-05-15 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi, that would have to be a very old map! I remember implementing the auto-byte swap for VMS (necessary as we had both a Convex C220 running Unix and a VAX 11/750)! In fact the Convex was rescued from scrap by Jim Austin and is still working: http://www.corestore.org/convex.htm Cheers -- Ian

Re: [ccp4bb] Using SFall for map conversion

2020-05-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Yes - but I meant too swap axes X Y Z yo X Z Y or whater the old inverse FFT required to work in SG 20.. On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 10:47, Ian Tickle wrote: > > Hi, that would have to be a very old map! I remember implementing the > auto-byte swap for VMS (necessary as we had both a Convex C220 ru

Re: [ccp4bb] Using SFall for map conversion

2020-05-15 Thread Bernhard Rupp
Yes, as suggested, it works just fine with maprot and sfall out of the ccp4i interface, and the approximate scaling to refence Fo is enough for my hack. Did not get the Refmac sfall option working but I am still troubleshooting this. Will transition to clipper tools to avoid age discrimination.

Re: [ccp4bb] Using SFall for map conversion

2020-05-15 Thread Bernhard Rupp
Thanks, I would not have the PDP 11 hardware anymore to read the 8” floppies 😊 No, the problem really was standard sequence of the grid axes sfall expects due to SG dependent FFT routines. Best, BR From: Philippe BENAS Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 01:23 To: ccp4bb@jiscmail.ac.uk; b...@hofkr

Re: [ccp4bb] Using SFall for map conversion

2020-05-15 Thread Jonathan Cooper
Ian, I can, as a not very scientific footnote, confirm that Jim Austin still has your Convex on his farm and, it seems, most of the manuals:  http://u.cubeupload.com/jbcooper/smallIMGP0087.jpg http://u.cubeupload.com/jbcooper/smallIMGP0086.jpg http://u.cubeupload.com/jbcooper/smallIMGP0078.jpg ht

Re: [ccp4bb] Using SFall for map conversion

2020-05-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
No no please no!!! How I hated the byte swap.. most people used VAXy things - York didn’t - our bytes were not your bytes stuff of nightmares... On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 22:25, Jonathan Cooper < 0c2488af9525-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote: > Ian, I can, as a not very scientific footno

Re: [ccp4bb] Using SFall for map conversion

2020-05-15 Thread Ian Tickle
It worked perfectly, no-one even noticed the bytes being swapped :) I. On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 22:37, Eleanor Dodson < 176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote: > No no please no!!! How I hated the byte swap.. most people used VAXy > things - York didn’t - our bytes were not your byt

Re: [ccp4bb] Using SFall for map conversion

2020-05-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hmmm On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 22:53, Ian Tickle wrote: > > It worked perfectly, no-one even noticed the bytes being swapped :) > > I. > > > On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 22:37, Eleanor Dodson < > 176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote: > >> No no please no!!! How I hated the byte swap.. mos

Re: [ccp4bb] Using SFall for map conversion

2020-05-15 Thread Ian Tickle
I kept the Fortran and C language manuals, and still use them to this day. I. On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 22:25, Jonathan Cooper wrote: > Ian, I can, as a not very scientific footnote, confirm that Jim Austin > still has your Convex on his farm and, it seems, most of the manuals: > > http://u.cubeu

Re: [ccp4bb] Using SFall for map conversion

2020-05-15 Thread Soisson, Stephen M
Sadly I am “well-seasoned” enough to remember the vax-Linux byte swaps. Little endian vs big endian, and the whole thing. I was not expecting the Convex reference here which brings back great memories of the Johns Hopkins Convex and the frigid room it resided in that sounded like you put your