[ccp4bb] Job openings in the Li Lab

2020-07-16 Thread Jian Shang
A postdoctoral position is available in Dr. Fang Li's lab at the Department of Veterinary and Biomedical Sciences, University of Minnesota Twin Cities. Research involves structural and biochemical studies on the cell entry mechanisms of coronaviruses as well as drug and vaccine developments agai

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2020-07-16 Thread Garib Murshudov
One correction: Model should after molecular replacement and few cycles of refinement (perhaps with a little bir relaxed geometry, but not too much). There is an option to use a model after molecular replacement but it is being migrated to another program that will have proper tests. Regards Ga

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2020-07-16 Thread CARADOC-DAVIES, Tom
Hi Harry, I laughed when I read your question below "Or is this considered just something that old folk do?". At the Australian Synchrotron MX beamlines (MX1 and MX2) we also go old-school and collect Lanthanum hexaboride powder diffraction data during each user setup. We collect a single 180

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2020-07-16 Thread Garib Murshudov
Hi Tim, There is an option to do unit cell parameter refinement (for all six parameters in general which can only happen in P1). It is undocumented. Celrefine/lattice refine all # if you give scale instead of all then only one parameter is refined. Cellrefine select . # use only atomic B val

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2020-07-16 Thread Jon Cooper
John, I'm sure they were bred by Brother Adam! There is a nice paper on wax diffraction here: https://fdocuments.net/document/crystallinity-of-plant-epicuticular-waxes-electron-and-x-ray-diffraction-studies.html There are others by the DLS team ;- Also, looks like the d-spacing was 3.72 Angstro

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2020-07-16 Thread Tim Gruene
Hi Jessica, Jens Luebben wrote cellopt for this purpose. It is available from github, https://github.com/JLuebben/CellOpt It is based on the idea available in whatcheck, i.e. to optimise the unit cell parameters based on geometry restraints DFIX/DANG. Those need to be three-dimensional: I've had

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2020-07-16 Thread Robbie Joosten
I suppose that this is where the phrase "Mind your own beeswax" comes from 😉 > -Original Message- > From: CCP4 bulletin board On Behalf Of Edward > Snell > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 16:36 > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Quote source inquiry > > Not completely re

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2020-07-16 Thread John R Helliwell
Hi, Two aspects:- Frank Herbstein investigated the precision of unit cell parameters in chemical crystallography, which I imagine will be of interest:- https://scripts.iucr.org/cgi-bin/paper?bk0071 Secondly, at the synchrotron, the pure metal foil scan, eg of nickel that I purchased from Goodfel

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2020-07-16 Thread Jon Cooper
That's interesting. I remember the days of wax rings, we even used to do several at different X-D distances. I sort-of lost faith with the advent of cryo since I had now idea of how this would affect the wax d-spacing (was it 2.72 Angstroms at rtp?) but ice-rings were always a life-saver to chec

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2020-07-16 Thread Jessica Bruhn
As someone working with continuous rotation electron diffraction, mostly with small molecules, I am often very concerned about the accuracy of my cell dimensions. I have to heavily restrain my experimental geometry, including the detector distance, because they are so unusual compared to X-ray setu

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2020-07-16 Thread Edward Snell
Not completely related to the question but at one particular European synchrotron there were a group of beamline scientists that also kept honey bees. The wax from each hive gave very beautiful powder diffraction patterns with the scattering being similar but distinctive to each hive. I was fort

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2020-07-16 Thread Harry Powell - CCP4BB
Hi Gerard Indeed. Calibration used to be part of the experiment, but it’s often forgotten these days (or it’s assumed that someone else has done it to an adequate standard - fortunately, this assumption is usually valid enough). Harry > On 16 Jul 2020, at 12:37, Gerard Bricogne wrote: > > D

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2020-07-16 Thread Frances C. Bernstein
I think I wasn't totally clear. The structure was refined with the correct cell dimensions and those fractional coordinates then were converted to orthogonal as the last step before sending them to the PDB. Had the depositor simply sent us the fractional data, we would have changed them to ortho

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2020-07-16 Thread David Schuller
There are cases where cell dimensions vary in a very real way. I have a system in which the unit cell volume can differ by more than 10%. When I first explored this system in the long ago times, before cryo-crystallography was a thing, the unit cell dimensions would change during data collectio

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2020-07-16 Thread Abhik Mukhopadhyay
I have a related question. Why calculating/reporting standard deviation for cell constants is not now mandatory in protein crystallography. Is there any reason for that (e.g. difficult to calculate or error in calculation). Now mmcif being the official format and there is mmcif category for esd, sp

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2020-07-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You can change the cell dimensions without spoiling the map fit too much, but obviously you need to convert deposited orthogonal coordinates back to fractional using the given SCALEi matrix, than re-orthogonalise with the modified cell.. Eleanor On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 13:01, Schreuder, Herman /DE

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2020-07-16 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
My guess is that the model no longer superimposed well onto the electron density map, which should be easy to spot. Best, Herman -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: CCP4 bulletin board Im Auftrag von Frances C. Bernstein Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juli 2020 13:44 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Bet

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2020-07-16 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt
Hi Frances, I'm not surprised. Just correcting (from old orthogonal via fractional to new orthogonal) will "stretch" bonds ever so slightly. I would have done rigid-body followed by some all-atom refinement and maybe checked the map and model fit afterwards (esp. at crystal contacts), and if n

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2020-07-16 Thread Frances C. Bernstein
I do not remember the date or the PDB entry but it was during the time that the PDB at BNL was including distance and angle outliers in the checking report sent back to the depositor. It was a not-too-large protein and there were perhaps half a dozen outliers each on distances and angles which was

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2020-07-16 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Harry, I think that sharp ice rings (or, better, a powder pattern from silicon powder) are only part of the solution to the calibration of beam energy, as there is an interaction with the detector distance. If I recall what I saw in my now distant days at LURE, a precise energy calibrati

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2020-07-16 Thread Mark J van Raaij
I think most of us are such "excellent" cryo-coolers that for every beamline shift we have multiple crystals with ice ring diffraction :-) Mark J van Raaij Dpto de Estructura de Macromoleculas Centro Nacional de Biotecnologia - CSIC calle Darwin 3 E-28049 Madrid, Spain tel. (+34) 91 585 4616 Sect

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2020-07-16 Thread Harry Powell - CCP4BB
Hi Does anyone bother collecting a powder image (e.g. Si powder) these days so they actually have a reference that can be used to check both the wavelength and the beam centre? Or is this considered just something that old folk do? Harry > On 16 Jul 2020, at 12:19, Gerard DVD Kleywegt wrote:

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2020-07-16 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt
No, I only wore Dutch clogs :-) Uppsala was an observer I think so Alwyn and I could attend the meetings, but we couldn't hire anyone. --G On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, Eleanor Dodson wrote: Well - it was Hamburg high resolution data - I guess we all had a stake in it.. Good meetings but You were par

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2020-07-16 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt
There was a case a few years ago (not too many though) where a 1.6 Ã… structure had been solved using an incorrect value for the wavelength (~5% too low, leading to a cell that was slightly too small for its contents to be comfortable). It was later corrected so we could compare their validation

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2020-07-16 Thread Robbie Joosten
I don't know what the return on investment would be, but after establishing that there are cell dimension deviations one should actually try to find the source of the problem. If it is the reported geometry of the experiment than it is just a matter of changing the cell dimension, but if the wav

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2020-07-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - it was Hamburg high resolution data - I guess we all had a stake in it.. Good meetings but You were part of them? Did you wear a Dutch hat? E On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 12:07, Gerard DVD Kleywegt wrote: > Hi Eleanor, > > Yes, I remember those meetings, when the UK was still an EU member and >

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2020-07-16 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt
Hi Eleanor, Yes, I remember those meetings, when the UK was still an EU member and Sweden not yet (so Uppsala couldn't be formally involved) :-) Did Victor look into this too? I remember Gert doing it. And maybe Tom Oldfield? Best wishes, --Gerard On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, Eleanor Dodson wro

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2020-07-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hmm - remember Gerard, the EU Validation initiative in the 1990s? We analysed these effects, or at least Victor Lamsin did, and we applauded him. Cheers Eleanor On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 11:52, Clemens Vonrhein wrote: > Hi Robbie, > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 07:23:15PM +, Robbie Joosten wrote:

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2020-07-16 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Hi Robbie, On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 07:23:15PM +, Robbie Joosten wrote: > At the same time if you have a a more relaxed approach to restraints > than you might find systematic deviations in bond lengths. A test > for that has been in WHAT_CHECK for decades and it actually works > surprisingly w