Re: [ccp4bb] Compound with flexible conformation but nM Kd

2018-04-27 Thread IGBMC
Le Vendredi 27 Avril 2018 14:51 CEST, vincent Chaptal a écrit: Just a little remark (I hope I'm not splitting hairs): it is not exact that the alkyl chain "creates a lot of entropy". Instead the mark of dissolution of hydrophobic compounds in aqueous solvent is a strong decrease of entropy du

Re: [ccp4bb] Compound with flexible conformation but nM Kd

2018-04-27 Thread Wenhe Zhong
Thanks for the thoughtful thought. The alkyl chain has 8 carbons. The scaffold that the alkyl chain attached to has 3 hydrogen bonds donors and 3 H-bond acceptors and with one phenyl ring. The overall cLogP is around 4 — slightly higher than the Lipinski's rule of five. Yes, I have planed to run

Re: [ccp4bb] Compound with flexible conformation but nM Kd

2018-04-27 Thread vincent Chaptal
Dear Wenhe, A thought came to mind after having read all the other threads, for which I generally agree. An alkyl chain on a molecule (charged? hydrophilic?, you mention a negatively charged binding site) will most likely not lead to micelle formation as the cmc of the object will be most like

Re: [ccp4bb] Compound with flexible conformation but nM Kd

2018-04-27 Thread Frank von Delft
track the Tyr in FT? best, matthias *From:* CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Christian Roth *Sent:* Friday, April 27, 2018 9:00:03 AM *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Compound with flexible conformation

Re: [ccp4bb] Compound with flexible conformation but nM Kd

2018-04-27 Thread Barone, Matthias
From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Christian Roth Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:00:03 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Compound with flexible conformation but nM Kd Anectodal evidence I have heard from colleagues working with things, which

Re: [ccp4bb] Compound with flexible conformation but nM Kd

2018-04-27 Thread Christian Roth
Anectodal evidence I have heard from colleagues working with things, which are immobilized is that the measured Kd value on the surface can be wildly different from what is measured in solution. A superbinder on a surface might not be as good in solution. There seems still a lot of debate why that

Re: [ccp4bb] Compound with flexible conformation but nM Kd

2018-04-26 Thread WENHE ZHONG
Hi Philippe, The affinity was measured by SPR where we immobilized the protein on the chip. One thing I forgot to mention is that the association rate (kon) shown in SPR experiment for this compound is faster (>10-fold faster) compared to other analogues with similar koff. There is a pi-pi inte

Re: [ccp4bb] Compound with flexible conformation but nM Kd

2018-04-26 Thread Edward A. Berry
For proteins in membranes, or proteins purified in the presence of detergents and/or lipids, the active site is sometimes surrounded by a hydrophobic mileau. The actual concentration that the binding site sees is then dependent on partitioning of the ligand between the water (where its concentr

Re: [ccp4bb] Compound with flexible conformation but nM Kd

2018-04-26 Thread IGBMC
Le Jeudi 26 Avril 2018 16:50 CEST, WENHE ZHONG a écrit: Just to be sure: how was the nM affinity evaluated ? By in vitro measurements, or by obtaining an IC50 by tests on cells ? Of course, if you are mentioning an IC50, you may have a measurement of the efficacy of drug entrance in the cells

[ccp4bb] Compound with flexible conformation but nM Kd

2018-04-26 Thread WENHE ZHONG
Dear Community, A little bit out of topic here. We are applying the structure-based approach to design compounds that can bind our protein target. We have synthesized a series of analogues based on the same scaffold with different substituents at one particular site. The most potent analogue (n