Re: [ccp4bb] How to fix sidechain rotamers ...

2009-09-30 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Peter, sorry for not answering exactly your question... but since this is relevant I reply anyway: The latest version of phenix.refine has an option "fix_rotamers=true", that automatically fixes all side chain rotamers by going residue-by-residue and choosing the best one based on density

[ccp4bb] How to fix sidechain rotamers for Refmac?

2009-09-30 Thread Peter J Stogios
Hi, I'm working with a 1.8 A structure with Coot and Refmac, and there are many sidechain rotamers that show very clear difference density peaks for setting their correct positions. However, Refmac continuously moves the rotamers back into negative density peaks. It's really quite silly

Re: [ccp4bb] How to fix sidechain rotamers for Refmac?

2009-09-30 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
Dear Peter, This simply should not be happening. The actual value of the weight term btw does not say much, what we would need to know is the resulting rmsd, or the associated z-score. For what you describe, weighting should not matter really - same goes for the torsion restraint, that will

Re: [ccp4bb] How to fix sidechain rotamers for Refmac?

2009-09-30 Thread Roger Rowlett
Is it possible there are alternate conformations for these side chains? Refmac, or any other refinement program, will try to fill one of the density regions with your side chain, but because of partial occupancy, a negative difference map will result, with accompanying positive density in the o

Re: [ccp4bb] How to fix sidechain rotamers for Refmac?

2009-09-30 Thread Manish Chandra Pathak
] How to fix sidechain rotamers for Refmac? Hi, I'm working with a 1.8 A structure with Coot and Refmac, and there are many sidechain rotamers that show very clear difference density peaks for setting their correct positions. However, Refmac continuously moves the rotamers back into neg

Re: [ccp4bb] How to fix sidechain rotamers for Refmac?

2009-10-01 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It is hard to believe that REFMAC is being driven by rotamer conformations - REFMAC weighting scheme gives a low priority to fitting a preferred rotamer - quite rightly since the SD on rotamer angles is high. The ideal is only "ideal" for a residue in a near vacuum - the interactions with othe

Re: [ccp4bb] How to fix sidechain rotamers for Refmac?

2009-10-02 Thread iulek
Besides possibilities pointed, I would ask if your are using undue NCS restraints, id est, between "rotamers" which are genuinely "different". Anyway, at 1.8 A resolution, one should check the adequateness of using NCS restraints. J Hi, I'm working with a 1.8 A structure with Coot and Refmac,