Re: [ccp4bb] How to make fft-map more physically meaningful?

2010-07-09 Thread Alexandre Urzhumtsev
Dear Hailiang, This apparently is not the real physics, since the electron density has to be positive everywhere (hope I am right). Yes, you are right when you are talking about the electron density. You are wrong when you are talking about a Fourier synthesis calculated always at a finite

Re: [ccp4bb] How to make fft-map more physically meaningful?

2010-07-09 Thread Harry Powell
Hi Sacha is absolutely right here. This was made plain to me during a plenary session at the recent BCA meeting in Warwick, given by a powder (not protein) crystallographer - who was using histogram matching density modification, with negative densities; an expert in density modification in

Re: [ccp4bb] How to make fft-map more physically meaningful?

2010-07-09 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Dear Sacha: Yes, I think Fourier synthesis at a finite resolution range will generate some negative, or more generally imaginary values in real space (hope I am right again:). For the imaginary values, I think the map should take the amplitude of it (maybe I am wrong). Do they normally make the

Re: [ccp4bb] How to make fft-map more physically meaningful?

2010-07-09 Thread James Holton
Uhh. No. You will only get imaginary electron density if your structure factors violate Friedel's law. I am not aware of map calculation codes that do this (on purpose). BTW, imaginary electrons are really just slow electrons that don't respond to the x-rays as fast as the average electron

[ccp4bb] Re : Re: [ccp4bb] How to make fft-map more physically meaningful?

2010-07-09 Thread Alexandre OURJOUMTSEV
Dear Hailiang,As James said, the hermitian symmetry of Fourier coefficients, F(h)=F*(-h), that is known in diffraction theory as the Friedel's law, is an equivalent of the condition that the corresponding function (electron density) is a real function.I think if you need further information you

[ccp4bb] How to make fft-map more physically meaningful?

2010-07-08 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Hi there: I found that the grid values in the map file generated by CCP4-fft generally has a mean value of ~0, and of course there will be lots of negative values. This apparently is not the real physics, since the electron density has to be positive everywhere (hope I am right). Can somebody

Re: [ccp4bb] How to make fft-map more physically meaningful?

2010-07-08 Thread Edward A. Berry
Hailiang Zhang wrote: Hi there: I found that the grid values in the map file generated by CCP4-fft generally has a mean value of ~0, and of course there will be lots of negative values. This apparently is not the real physics, since the electron density has to be positive everywhere (hope I am

Re: [ccp4bb] How to make fft-map more physically meaningful?

2010-07-08 Thread Dale Tronrud
Edward A. Berry wrote: Hailiang Zhang wrote: Hi there: I found that the grid values in the map file generated by CCP4-fft generally has a mean value of ~0, and of course there will be lots of negative values. This apparently is not the real physics, since the electron density has to be