Re: [ccp4bb] Negative CCanom

2015-07-23 Thread Keller, Jacob
There does indeed appear to be a tendancy for the SHELXC values to become slightly negative at the high resolution end, i.e. when a value of zero would be expected for pure noise, so maybe it is something more fundamental?! I think it is something more fundamental, and I've just explored

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative CCanom

2015-07-22 Thread Keller, Jacob
Not to harp on this too much, but I was helping a colleague today on an unrelated structure, and his dataset also showed negative CCanom's in all bins. I am now suspecting that there might be an actual bug in Aimless. Anyone else also seeing this? Jacob

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative CCanom

2015-07-19 Thread Keller, Jacob
Vonrheim, or it may have to do with scaling. Can't figure it out just yet. I am, of course, assuming that the signs are not random. Jacob -Original Message- From: Keller, Jacob Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 9:46 PM To: Keller, Jacob; CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: RE: [ccp4bb] Negative

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative CCanom

2015-07-17 Thread Seijo, Jose A. Cuesta
@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Negative CCanom Am 17. Juli 2015 00:00:11 MESZ, schrieb Keller, Jacob kell...@janelia.hhmi.org: Jacob's case is twinning in P3(2)12 making the data appear as P6(2)22, so it is indeed a rotation by 180°. Yes, this all fits together nicely. If I understand

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative CCanom

2015-07-17 Thread Keller, Jacob
No, it's just merohedral - the true and the apparent spacegroup belong to the same pointgroup. Even if it were pseudo-merohedral it would be a superposition of reflections, with addition of their intensities. Well, if there are several apposed crystals as hypothesized before, where they are

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative CCanom

2015-07-16 Thread Keller, Jacob
[Sorry, typography was off a bit in the last one] Here is the answer, I think, to why twinning leads to negative CCanom: In fact, in any case in which the anomalous signal changes as a function of exposure, CCanom can be negative. The usual case is radiation damage: Consider, to start, four

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative CCanom

2015-07-16 Thread Keller, Jacob
Jacob's case is twinning in P3(2)12 making the data appear as P6(2)22, so it is indeed a rotation by 180°. Yes, this all fits together nicely. If I understand correctly, this would make my crystals a blend of mero- and pseudo-mero-hedral, so involving I's and F's, no? JPK

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative CCanom

2015-07-16 Thread Keller, Jacob
Here is the answer, I think, to why twinning leads to negative CCanom: In fact, in any case in which the anomalous signal changes as a function of exposure, CCanom can be negative. The usual case is radiation damage: Consider, to start, four independent measurements of one reflection, two I+