Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution and data/parameter ratio, which one is more important?

2013-03-17 Thread Colin Nave
[mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Guangyu Zhu Sent: 15 March 2013 00:28 To: ccp4bb Subject: [ccp4bb] Resolution and data/parameter ratio, which one is more important? I have this question. For exmaple, a protein could be crystallized in two crystal forms. Two crystal form have same space group

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution and data/parameter ratio, which one is more important?

2013-03-17 Thread Jrh
Dear Dr Zhu, I hope the following might make things easier to grasp. The 3.0Angstrom diffraction resolution is basically required to resolve a protein polypeptide chain whether your protein is in an 80% solvent content unit cell or a 50% solvent content unit cell. You will have more

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution and data/parameter ratio, which one is more important?

2013-03-16 Thread dusan turk
Dear Guangyu Zhu, if this is not a hypothetical case you can refine both structures in each crystal form separately using whatever software and compare them later. The structure can be refined also in both crystal forms simultaneously using the multi crystal NCS refinement as implemented in

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution and data/parameter ratio, which one is more important?

2013-03-16 Thread James Holton
Well, when it comes to observations/parameters, it is important to remember that not all observations are created equal. 10,000 observations with I/sigma = 1 are definitely not as desirable as 10,000 observations with I/sigma = 10. Not all parameters are created equal either. Yes, you may

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution and data/parameter ratio, which one is more important?

2013-03-15 Thread Herman . Schreuder
: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:28 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Resolution and data/parameter ratio, which one is more important? I have this question. For exmaple, a protein could be crystallized in two crystal forms. Two crystal form have same space group, and 1 molecule/asymm. One

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution and data/parameter ratio, which one is more important?

2013-03-15 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Guangyu, I think it's not as straightforward as comparing d/p ratios, that is only one of several factors that influences precision. Another important factor would be the overall level of thermal motion disorder which will most likely be significantly higher in the 3.6A 80% case; after all

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution and data/parameter ratio, which one is more important?

2013-03-15 Thread Guangyu Zhu
: [ccp4bb] Resolution and data/parameter ratio, which one is more important? Hi Guangyu, I think it's not as straightforward as comparing d/p ratios, that is only one of several factors that influences precision. Another important factor would be the overall level of thermal motion disorder which

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution and data/parameter ratio, which one is more important?

2013-03-15 Thread Jacob Keller
Date: Friday, March 15, 2013 6:33 AM To: System Administrator g...@hwi.buffalo.edu Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution and data/parameter ratio, which one is more important? Hi Guangyu, I think it's not as straightforward as comparing d/p ratios

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution and data/parameter ratio, which one is more important?

2013-03-15 Thread Pete Meyer
] Resolution and data/parameter ratio, which one is more important? Hi Guangyu, I think it's not as straightforward as comparing d/p ratios, that is only one of several factors that influences precision. Another important factor would be the overall level of thermal motion disorder which will most

[ccp4bb] Resolution and data/parameter ratio, which one is more important?

2013-03-14 Thread Guangyu Zhu
I have this question. For exmaple, a protein could be crystallized in two crystal forms. Two crystal form have same space group, and 1 molecule/asymm. One crystal form diffracts to 3A with 50% solvent; and the other diffracts to 3.6A with 80% solvent. The cell volume of 3.6A crystal must be