Re: [ccp4bb] Synthetic RNA for Crystallization

2011-03-14 Thread Klemens Wild
Hi folks, crystallized a lot of SRP RNAs - never had success with synthetic RNA, even with small 30mers T7 RNA pol in vitro transcribed was always extremely better - moreover: I always use a 3' hammerhead which yields in the end 100% pure material in mg amounts - Kiyoshi Nagais protocol is a

Re: [ccp4bb] Synthetic RNA for Crystallization

2011-03-14 Thread First, Eric
board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Martin Hällberg Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:44 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Synthetic RNA for Crystallization Hi, I'll second Israels's comment. Since the yield per coupling in synthesis is lower for RNA than for DNA it gets

[ccp4bb] Synthetic RNA for Crystallization

2011-03-13 Thread Michael Thompson
Hello All, I am looking for some advice from some experienced RNA crystallographers. I would like to order some relatively short (90 bases) synthetic RNAs for crystallization trials. I was wondering if anyone could comment on the use of synthetic RNAs for crystallization. Specifically, what is

Re: [ccp4bb] Synthetic RNA for Crystallization

2011-03-13 Thread Israel Sanchez
Hi Michael, we normally produce synthetic RNAs following this classic paper if the size is more than let say 40-50 nucleotide, otherwise we buy the RNAs from Dharmacon and the quality is totally OK. Hope it helps javascript:AL_get(this,%20'jour',%20'J%20Mol%20Biol.'); J Mol Biol.

Re: [ccp4bb] Synthetic RNA for Crystallization

2011-03-13 Thread Artem Evdokimov
1) Make your own with in vitro transcription (straight T7 r T7+RDRP like in Finnzymes kit) 2) Buy from IDTDNA - they are very good Long RNA tends to be expensive. Consider RNA ligase if two or more pieces can be stitched together. Artem On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Michael Thompson

Re: [ccp4bb] Synthetic RNA for Crystallization

2011-03-13 Thread Mario Sanches
Hi Mike, For long RNAs ( 40bases), in vitro transcription is the method of choice. You might want to take a look at this introductory page from Ambion: http://www.ambion.com/techlib/basics/transcription/index.html For structural studies you will have to scale up to milliliter scale. For that

Re: [ccp4bb] Synthetic RNA for Crystallization

2011-03-13 Thread Martin Hällberg
Hi, I'll second Israels's comment. Since the yield per coupling in synthesis is lower for RNA than for DNA it gets really expensive over 30-35 nucleotides. However, you can stitch together several 30 nt oligos using either T4 RNA ligase or T4 DNA ligase (with a DNA splint). Regarding suppliers