Dear all,
The discussion about keeping primary data, and what level of data can
be considered 'primary', has - rather unsurprisingly - come up also in
areas other than structural biology.
An example is next generation sequencing. A full-dataset is a few tera
bytes, but post-processing
Dear Tassos,
It is unclear whether this thread will be able to resolve your deep
existential concerns about what to be, but you do introduce a couple of
interesting points: (1) raw data archiving in areas (of biology) other than
structural biology, and (2) archiving the samples rather than
Still, after hundreds (?) of emails to this topic, I haven't seen any
convincing argument in favor of archiving data. The only convincing
arguments are against, and are from Gerard K and Tassos.
Why?
The question is not what to archive, but still why should we archive all
the data.
Because
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Dear all,
The discussion about keeping primary data, and what
level of data can be considered 'primary', has -
rather unsurprisingly - come up also in areas other
than structural
board CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK (on behalf
of Anastassis Perrakis a.perra...@nki.nl)
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Dear all,
The discussion about keeping primary data, and what
level of data can be considered 'primary', has
or not to archive, that's
the question!
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Dear all,
The discussion about keeping primary data, and what
level of data can be considered 'primary', has -
rather unsurprisingly - come up also in areas other
than structural biology.
An example
Dear Vaheh,
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 03:18:07PM +, Oganesyan, Vaheh wrote:
But to store those difficult datasets to help the future software
development sounds really farfetched.
As far as I see the general plan, that would be a second stage (deposit
all datasets) - the first one would be
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Dear all,
The discussion about keeping primary data, and what
level of data can be considered 'primary', has -
rather
Dear Martin,
Thank you for this very clear message about your views on this topic.
There is nothing like well articulated dissenting views to force a real
assessment of the initial arguments, and you have certainly provided that.
As your presentation is modular, I will interleave my
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Dear all,
The discussion about keeping primary data, and what
level of data can
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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:37:47 +0100
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Dear Gerard K,
Many thanks indeed for this.
Like Gerard Bricogne you also indicate that the location option being the
decentralised one is 'quite simple and very cheap in terms of centralised
cost'. The SR Facilities worldwide I hope can surely follow the lead taken by
Diamond Light Source and
One important issue to address is how deal with the perceived
reliability issues of the federated model and how to start to
approach the higher reliability of the centralized model described bu
Gerard K, but without incurring what seems to be at present
unacceptable costs. One answer comes from
Dear Herbert,
I imagine it likely that eg The Univ Manchester eScholar system will have in
place duplicate storage for the reasons you outline below. However for it to be
geographically distant is, to my reckoning, less likely, but still possible. I
will add that further query to my first query
Dear John,
Most sound institutional data repositories use some form of
off-site backup. However, not all of them do, and the
standards of reliabilty vary. The advantages of an explicit
partnering system are both practical and psychological. The
practical part is the major improvement in
Hi all,
It appears that during my time here at Cold Spring Harbor, I have missed a
small debate on CCP4BB (in which my name has been used in vain to boot).
I have not yet had time to read all the contributions, but would like to make
a few points that hopefully contribute to the discussion
Gerard
I said in INCREASING order of influence/power i.e. you are in first place.
The joke comes from
I used to think if there was reincarnation, I wanted to come back as the
President or the Pope or a .400 baseball hitter. But now I want to come back as
the bond market. You can intimidate
Gerard
I said in INCREASING order of influence/power i.e. you are in first place.
Ooo! *Now* it makes sense! :-)
--Gerard
The joke comes from
I used to think if there was reincarnation, I wanted to come back as the
President or the Pope or a .400 baseball hitter. But now I want to
On Friday, October 28, 2011 02:02:46 pm Gerard DVD Kleywegt wrote:
I'm a tad disappointed to be only in fourth place, Colin!
What has the Pope ever done for crystallography?
http://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/5923051-L.jpg
--
Ethan A Merritt
Biomolecular Structure Center, K-428 Health
On Friday, October 28, 2011 02:02:46 pm Gerard DVD Kleywegt wrote:
I'm a tad disappointed to be only in fourth place, Colin!
What has the Pope ever done for crystallography?
http://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/5923051-L.jpg
Fock'n'Pope! Great find, Ethan! So maybe he deserves fourth place
Dear Gerard,
I think that a major achievement of this online debate will have been
to actually get you to carry out a constructive analysis (an impressive one,
I will be the first to say) of this question, instead of dismissing it right
away. It is almost as great an achievement as getting
As the poster who mentioned the $1000 - $3000 per terabyte per year
figure, I should point out that the figure originated not from La La
land but from an NSF RDLM workshop in Princeton last summer. Certainly
the actual costs may be higher or lower depending on
economies/diseconomies of scale
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