Re: [ccp4bb] To model or not to model...

2010-04-15 Thread Thomas Lütteke
Dear Katherine, I would like to add a futher point to this discussion: If you do model residues with poor or no electron density, then you should be sure of what you are doing and not just make more or less unguided guesses. This seems obvious but unfortunately it isn't, at least not to

Re: [ccp4bb] To model or not to model...

2010-04-15 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
On Apr 15, 2010, at 10:08, Thomas Lütteke wrote: Dear Katherine, I would like to add a futher point to this discussion: If you do model residues with poor or no electron density, then you should be sure of what you are doing and not just make more or less unguided guesses. This seems

Re: [ccp4bb] To model or not to model...

2010-04-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
In this lab there are as many takes on this as there are crystallographers I think! It seems to depend on personality - are you a wild optimist who traces connectivity at 0.5 Sigma - or a cautious soul who hates to be wrong.. It seems to me that there are often disordered regions we can never

Re: [ccp4bb] To model or not to model...

2010-04-14 Thread Paul Emsley
Eleanor Dodson wrote: In this lab there are as many takes on this as there are crystallographers I think! It seems to depend on personality - are you a wild optimist who traces connectivity at 0.5 Sigma - or a cautious soul who hates to be wrong.. Blimey, I think it's the other way round.

Re: [ccp4bb] To model or not to model...

2010-04-14 Thread Ed Pozharski
Katherine, all good questions and all discussed previously on this very discussion board. My personal opinion did not change much since 2007: http://www.dl.ac.uk/list-archive-public/ccp4bb/msg19777.html although I would probably amend couple of minor things. As for riding hydrogens, take a

[ccp4bb] To model or not to model...

2010-04-13 Thread SIPPEL,KATHERINE H
Dear Crystallographic Community, Dr. Holton made a comment today that got me thinking on the issue of modeling. This has been a hotly debated topic in our own lab but I would like to hear the current opinions of the community as a whole. It is a question of two parts. First, what do you

Re: [ccp4bb] To model or not to model...

2010-04-13 Thread Bernhard Rupp
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 5:40 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] To model or not to model... Dear Crystallographic Community, Dr. Holton made a comment today that got me thinking on the issue of modeling. This has been a hotly debated topic in our own lab but I would like

Re: [ccp4bb] To model or not to model...

2010-04-13 Thread Jürgen Bosch
: [ccp4bb] To model or not to model... Dear Crystallographic Community, Dr. Holton made a comment today that got me thinking on the issue of modeling. This has been a hotly debated topic in our own lab but I would like to hear the current opinions of the community as a whole. It is a question

Re: [ccp4bb] To model or not to model...

2010-04-13 Thread Bernhard Rupp
] On Behalf Of Jürgen Bosch Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 6:41 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] To model or not to model... I should add a comment here about density that might or might not be there :-) Graphent - trying is believing Jürgen Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Bloomberg

Re: [ccp4bb] to model or not to model, that's not the question

2009-11-17 Thread Miguel Ortiz Lombardia
Le 17 nov. 09 à 12:40, Morten Kjeldgaard a écrit : Tim Gruene wrote: Yes, but models that can be validated against experimental data. The defining characteristics of computational models is that they (A) are 100% dependent on the algortihm, (B) can't be validated at all. Cheers, Morten