Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning in space group Pc

2014-08-14 Thread Navdeep Sidhu
Dear Kristof, Apart from things pointed out, a possibility to consider would also be the presence of two different crystal types--of different compounds--in the same reaction vessel. Best regards, Navdeep --- On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:00:18AM +0200, Kristof Van Hecke wrote: Dear, I’m

[ccp4bb] Twinning in space group Pc

2014-08-13 Thread Kristof Van Hecke
Dear, I’m struggling with the following (small molecule) problem: We are trying to solve the structure of a metal-organic framework containing a chiral compound. The space group is most probably Pc, but when refining, SHELX gives the error “Possible racemic twin or wrong absolute structure -

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning in space group Pc

2014-08-13 Thread Lijun Liu
Hi, Pc may not be the space group for your crystal, if the molecule is chiral. Seems like the data were forced to be reduced to a mirror_related SG. Lijun On Aug 13, 2014 2:00 AM, Kristof Van Hecke kristofrg.vanhe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear, I’m struggling with the following (small molecule)

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning in space group Pc

2014-08-13 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Twin laws are possible if there are 2 ways to index your cell, and non-merefedral twinning is possible in any system depending on the cell. I am not sure of the small molecule tools to check twinning though. Eleanor Dodson On 13 August 2014 05:58, Lijun Liu lijunli...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Pc

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning in space group Pc

2014-08-13 Thread Harry Powell
Hi folks Pc *must* have both enantiomers, since it's got a glide plane ( = mirror + translation parallel to mirror). So the sample *cannot* be enantiopure if the space group is Pc (or P2/ c)... BTW, Pc isn't a centrosymmetric space group. Unless I'm wrong... On 13 Aug 2014, at Wed13 Aug

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Twinning in space group Pc

2014-08-13 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning in space group Pc Hi, Pc may not be the space group for your crystal, if the molecule is chiral. Seems like the data were forced to be reduced to a mirror_related SG. Lijun On Aug 13, 2014 2:00 AM, Kristof Van Hecke kristofrg.vanhe

Re: [ccp4bb] [ccp4bb] Twinning in space group Pc

2014-08-13 Thread Kristof Van Hecke
Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning in space group Pc Hi, Pc may not be the space group for your crystal, if the molecule is chiral. Seems like the data were forced to be reduced to a mirror_related SG. Lijun On Aug 13, 2014 2:00 AM, Kristof Van Hecke kristofrg.vanhe...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning in space group Pc

2014-08-13 Thread Mark J van Raaij
how many (quasi) equivalent positions do you think the chiral compound can adopt in the organo-metal framework? Or the organo-metal framework in the crystal? If it's two, you can probably do alternate conformations - if there are more, it could become impossible, even in P1. Mark J van Raaij

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning in space group Pc

2014-08-13 Thread George Sheldrick
Dear Kristof, Have you tried to solve it with the new SHELXT? You can force it to consider only chiral (Sohnke) space groups by putting -c on the command line. Best wishes, George On 13.08.2014 11:00, Kristof Van Hecke wrote: Dear, I’m struggling with the following (small molecule)