Re: [ccp4bb] van der Waals distances

2012-03-21 Thread Rubén Sánchez Eugenia
Hi David Mueller, In Physical Chemistry Van der Waals interacions are defined as all type of forces between molecules (or parts of them) excluding covalent bonds and electrostatic interactions. So, you are right that the most common forces included into Van Der Waals are: interaction between

Re: [ccp4bb] van der Waals distances

2012-03-21 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 10:16 +0100, Rubén Sánchez Eugenia wrote: In Physical Chemistry Van der Waals interacions are defined as all type of forces between molecules (or parts of them) excluding covalent bonds and electrostatic interactions. So, you are right that the most common forces included

Re: [ccp4bb] van der Waals distances

2012-03-21 Thread David Mueller
Aren't all forces between atoms and molecules electrostatic in origin? Cheers On 3/21/12 8:27 AM, Ed Pozharski epozh...@umaryland.edu wrote: On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 10:16 +0100, Rubén Sánchez Eugenia wrote: In Physical Chemistry Van der Waals interacions are defined as all type of forces

Re: [ccp4bb] van der Waals distances

2012-03-21 Thread eugene . krissinel
plus exchange interaction :) On 21 Mar 2012, at 13:42, David Mueller wrote: Aren't all forces between atoms and molecules electrostatic in origin? Cheers On 3/21/12 8:27 AM, Ed Pozharski epozh...@umaryland.edu wrote: On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 10:16 +0100, Rubén Sánchez Eugenia wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] van der Waals distances

2012-03-21 Thread Sheriff, Steven
David: In my experience most people don't put a lot of thought into an upper limit for van der Waals (VDW) contacts and use a hard, arbitrary upper value of 4 Angstrom. In the mid-1980's, Wayne Hendrickson and I proposed that one should use: · Atom type dependent cutoffs · As

Re: [ccp4bb] van der Waals distances

2012-03-21 Thread Ed Pozharski
Technically, no. You may be able to exclude nuclear forces, but gravity certainly isn't included in Maxwell's equations. The other forces can simply be neglected because their contribution is negligible when molecular interactions are concerned. On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 08:42 -0500, David Mueller

Re: [ccp4bb] van der Waals distances

2012-03-21 Thread Michael Schnieders
Hi David, Perhaps the most accurate inter- and intramolecular forces available for macromolecular X-ray crystallography refinement are currently based on the polarizable multipole AMOEBA force field. AMOEBA includes explicit support for the interactions you mentioned: 1.) repulsion-dispersion

[ccp4bb] van der Waals distances

2012-03-20 Thread David Mueller
Dear Crystallographers: I am mapping out van der Waals contacts between a small molecule and a protein. What are the generally accepted limits for positive van der Waals interactions? I am defining van der Waals interactions as the energy of interaction between permanent dipoles, plus the