Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology

2015-07-18 Thread Nigel Williams
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: > ...though I have not actually checked. The B5000 had IO processors as well. Not quite, the B5000 and B5500 arguably had DMA channels (up to 4 of them), but not independent IO processors (with their own machine code) that were seen on the later

Re: PDP-12 at the RICM (Michael Thompson)

2015-07-18 Thread Michael Thompson
We received more documentation from the donor last week so we were able to run the processor LINC instruction tests. The new docs are already scanned and on Bitsavers. The LINC diags failed, but we quickly found the bad M160 flip-chip and now both LINC diags run OK. We continued debugging the "LGP

RE: RE: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-18 Thread tony duell
> > So, tony, if I'm correct, you just called "bullshit", right? I assume this relates to my comments on static damage of PDP11 PSUs, I am not sure I would quite put it that way (not on a public list :-)) but (a) I have never seen a DEC PSU (in a PDP11 or elsewhere) damaged by static, certainl

Multibus arbiter design

2015-07-18 Thread Eric Smith
Is anyone aware of any published detailed designs of Multibus arbitration circuitry, NOT using the Intel bus arbiter chips (e.g., 8218, 8219, 8289, 82289)? I know various vendors making Multibus CPU cards for non-Intel CPUs (e.g., 68K or NS 32K) sometimes designed their own arbiters out of TTL and/

Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology

2015-07-18 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/18/2015 09:06 PM, Mike Stein wrote: I always wondered which was more efficient, multiplexing among essentially complete 'computers per user' sharing a common I/O 'channel' or swapping processes and memory banks... Well, the multiplexing (via hardware) memory among a single processor did

Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology

2015-07-18 Thread ben
On 7/18/2015 10:06 PM, Mike Stein wrote: I always wondered which was more efficient, multiplexing among essentially complete 'computers per user' sharing a common I/O 'channel' or swapping processes and memory banks... m I can't think of any system for the average user that runs efficient. Be

Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology

2015-07-18 Thread Mike Stein
- Original Message - From: "Chuck Guzis" To: ; "discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 12:21 PM Subject: Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology On 07/16/2015 11:45 AM, Mike Stein wrote: Not the same thing of course but rem

Re: RE: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-18 Thread David Woyciesjes
So, tony, if I'm correct, you just called "bullshit", right? -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech -http://certification.comptia.org/--- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst -http://www.ThinkHDI.com/Registered Linux user number 464583 "Computers have lots of m

Re: Front Panels Sample layout.

2015-07-18 Thread Rod Smallwood
Hi I am working on an 8/f version. Its not far along enough to send out just yet . Rod On 18/07/2015 12:34, simon wrote: Hi Rod, that sounds like a good idea. we have a 8/f here and i could try to match your version with it. simon On 18-07-15 00:14, Rod Smallwood wrote: White layer 8/

Re: Looking for keyboard for a BLIT / Teletype / AT&T terminal

2015-07-18 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Ian Finder wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I need help hunting down an item. > > This is a keyboard that shipped with a few AT&T / Teletype terminals with a > 6-pin RJ connector. I am also looking for one. I recently cam into a Blit and a 730+ , neither of which had a ke

Looking for keyboard for a BLIT / Teletype / AT&T terminal

2015-07-18 Thread Ian Finder
Hi Folks, I need help hunting down an item. This is a keyboard that shipped with a few AT&T / Teletype terminals with a 6-pin RJ connector. I recently obtained a BLIT terminal and would like to find a keyboard (and mouse- the red lady bug one- if possible- but the keyboard is quite necessary)

Re: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-18 Thread devin davison
Thank you all for the information. Ive been speaking with Paul Anderson on the phone, he went into great detail a general overview on how to get the machine apart and general beginner details. He referred me to the appropriate Documents on bitsavers, plan is to pick up some packs of paper and get t

Re: Front Panels Sample layout.

2015-07-18 Thread Rod Smallwood
Hi You are welcome to the 8/e artwork. Email me direct and I'll send them to you. I already have an 8/f panel underway. The artwork is not suitable for producing silkscreen masters from yet. Its just to allow those with one or other of the two types of 8/e with the different switch marking

Re: Front Panels Sample layout.

2015-07-18 Thread simon
Hi Rod, that sounds like a good idea. we have a 8/f here and i could try to match your version with it. simon On 18-07-15 00:14, Rod Smallwood wrote: White layer 8/e front panels A and B On 17/07/2015 22:23, Adrian Stoness wrote: Sure On Friday, July 17, 2015, Rod Smallwood wrote: Hi Gu

Re: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-18 Thread Rod Smallwood
More myths and ledgends. As I remember it this all started with the arrival of FET's having a very high input impedance due to narrow gate areas. If you were daft enough not to have a path to earth and let a charge build up on the gate then you could exceed the breakdown voltage across the ju

RE: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-18 Thread tony duell
> > Oh, sorry, didn't realize they used switchers for the PDP-11s. There have been _many_ DEC PSU designed used for the PDP11. I think all of them used some kind of switching regulator for the +5V line. A quick glance at the printsets will settle it.. > However I was talking with a friend of

STSC APL*PLUS System for VAX VMS User's & Reference Manual

2015-07-18 Thread Mark Wickens
For those who expressed an interest in the STSC APL*PLUS manuals for VAX/VMS I happy to report they are now available from here: http://wickensonline.co.uk/static/files/scans/APL-Plus-System-for-the-VAX-VMS-Environment-Users-Manual-Release-1-Aug-1987-STS.pdf http://wickensonline.co.uk/static/

Re: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-18 Thread Jules Richardson
On 07/17/2015 11:17 PM, tony duell wrote: On the other hand if the +5V line did get too high it could have wiped out just about every IC in the unit. Ouch!. I've only ever had this happen once, and it was in a much lesser machine than a PDP11 (fortunately). Many years ago, I managed to feed +12

Re: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-18 Thread John Robertson
Oh, sorry, didn't realize they used switchers for the PDP-11s. However I was talking with a friend of mine last night about my error, and he told me that the switching supplies for the PDP-11s were very unreliable back in the day. He often had to troubleshoot the machines back then. A common f

RE: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-18 Thread Peter Coghlan
Rich Alderson wrote: > > > It is generally a good idea to re-form electrolytic capacitors in power > > supplies, and to bench check the power supplies (under some kind of > > load) before actually applying power to the whole unit. > > It is always a good idea to replace electrolytic capacitors in

Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3

2015-07-18 Thread Sean Caron
Well, it took a little bit of monkeying around but I was able to get the the V7.3 ISO I received from a helpful fellow list member to boot on my 3000/400 ... it seems to only like my RRD37 drive and only on the internal SCSI channel ... she is finicky ... but hey, whatever gets the job done :O Woo

Re: Front Panels Sample layout.

2015-07-18 Thread Rod Smallwood
White layer 8/e front panels A and B On 17/07/2015 22:23, Adrian Stoness wrote: Sure On Friday, July 17, 2015, Rod Smallwood wrote: Hi Guys! Further to my previous email. If anybody would like to see the artwork I can send you a copy. Its in *.svg format. Regards Rod

Re: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-18 Thread Jay Jaeger
What I am wondering about, though, is the extra current they draw while they are forming up while the power supply is running. The capacitor might survive it (not get so hot that it fails), but the things supply the higher than ordinary current to it might not. Killed a bridge rectifier on a PDP-