Instead of cooking up another completely custom inventory management schema,
you might consider adhering to Dublin Core for some more modern
schema conventions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Core
For the dbms engine I would use MariaDB over MySql (but with some of the MySQL
tool chain) as
On 09/22/2015 09:06 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
That is just because they are so old that, aside from collectors or
those interested in a particular old machine, nobody ever *bothered*.
By the time C came along, those machines were well on their way to their
eventual demise.
I am 100% certain, for ex
On 9/21/15 8:02 PM, Jonathan Gevaryahu wrote:
The direct prompt of this request was the desire to get one or more of the dot
matrix teleprinters running in MAME/MESS, the progress of which can be seen at
https://github.com/mamedev/mame/blob/master/src/mess/drivers/decwritr.c , with
the LA120,
I agree; AFAIK I was never aware of any link between Fortran and early C
... although if you squint at Ratfor just the right way it looks at times a
little bit like K&R without C-style function declarations and calling
semantics and some of the other frosting... I could see this being the root
of t
Hi Brian,
WELCOME!!
What is the part number of the dead power supply you gave up on?
What other DEC items do you have?
Where are you located?
Thanks, Paul
Ah, sorry, I misspoke; CBX 8000, not a CBX II :O
Best,
Sean
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
> I got a ROLM CBX II but I suppose that's pre-IBM-acquisition :O
>
> Best,
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Ali wrote:
>
>> > Don't you need an IBM phone to go with
On 9/22/2015 11:00 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
> probably an artifact generated by my migraine this evening .
>
Ugh. Had some of those while I was in High School, complete with
squiggly lines, often nausea and hours of intense pain. You have my
sympathy.
Then one day I started to get on
I got a ROLM CBX II but I suppose that's pre-IBM-acquisition :O
Best,
Sean
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Ali wrote:
> > Don't you need an IBM phone to go with it?
>
>
> Mike,
>
> Please do explain...
>
>
>
LOL ... poor woman ... I could only imagine getting all excited that I was
gonna get a Sun workstation (especially back in the day when that counted
for something a bit above the pale...) and then opening the box and it's
just furniture!! Oh no!!
Best,
Sean
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Fre
On 9/22/2015 11:22 PM, ben wrote:
> On 9/22/2015 10:08 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
>> On 9/22/2015 10:44 PM, ben wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/22/2015 7:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
>>>
So, B was never actually a FORTRAN compiler, just Ken started thinking
about FORTRAN grammar and within one DAY took off in
On 9/22/2015 10:12 PM, Zane Healy wrote:
> My recommendation would be to ensure compatibility with the MARC database
> format. Even if you don't include all the fields, the fields you do have
> should be compatible. If you look you should find Open Source projects that
> are MARC compatible.
Before I write my own, does anyone happen to have an assembler and/or
a disassembler for the Intel 8089 I/O processor?
On 9/22/2015 10:08 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
On 9/22/2015 10:44 PM, ben wrote:
On 9/22/2015 7:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
So, B was never actually a FORTRAN compiler, just Ken started thinking
about FORTRAN grammar and within one DAY took off in a different
direction. By that time (1969 or so) FORT
On 9/22/2015 10:44 PM, ben wrote:
> On 9/22/2015 7:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
>
>> So, B was never actually a FORTRAN compiler, just Ken started thinking
>> about FORTRAN grammar and within one DAY took off in a different
>> direction. By that time (1969 or so) FORTRAN was a really old
>> language
On 9/22/2015 9:25 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 09/22/2015 07:11 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
>
> We've been here before and I don't care to chew already masticated cud.
> Suffice it to say, that I've never seen a C for a non-binary,
> variable-word-length machine using 6-bit characters. I've seen plenty
probably an artifact generated by my migraine this evening .
In a message dated 9/22/2015 8:39:34 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
ci...@xenosoft.com writes:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
> I see you have one of those small reel tape drives also like we
do
>
Ed reply - Jay - I did all that yeas ago... It did not smoke but it
also did not do much else.
LOOPBACK to... I need to find manuals and a system tapes probably.
Sure looks pretty though ( and better with a blue et head terminal
on top!)
I wish I had learned more
I don't remember which model mine is, but here are
some links:
http://www.cnet.com/products/ibm-3345sl-cordless-phone-with-caller-id-call-waiting/specs/
http://www.cnet.com/products/ibm-3460-cordless-phone-with-caller-id-call-waiting/
http://www.cnet.com/products/ibm-900sp-cordless-phone-with-
On 9/22/2015 7:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
So, B was never actually a FORTRAN compiler, just Ken started thinking
about FORTRAN grammar and within one DAY took off in a different
direction. By that time (1969 or so) FORTRAN was a really old
language, and considered way out of date by most universi
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
I see you have one of those small reel tape drives also like we do
in our s20... what is the interface on them? what BPI ? who actually
madethem?
rather off-topic: is your space bar sticking? Seems like a lot of
keybounce.
This was posted on another list, I thought that others on this list would be
interested.
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
> From: "Dave McGuire mcgu...@neurotica.com [midatlanticretro]"
>
> Date: September 22, 2015 at 10:44:52 PM EDT
> To: "midatlanticre...@yahoogroups.com"
> Sub
Jay looking at - your flicker page I would say you have a mountain
of it!
I see you have one of those small reel tape drives also like we do
in our s20... what is the interface on them? what BPI ? who actually
madethem?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/131070638@N02
> As mentioned previously IBM made (or put their name on) all sorts of
> things, including several telephones; I've got one somewhere but like
> much of my junk no idea where at the moment.
Mike,
I was actually hoping you had images or linkage to said phone. Unless you are
talking about the IBM
My recommendation would be to ensure compatibility with the MARC database
format. Even if you don't include all the fields, the fields you do have
should be compatible. If you look you should find Open Source projects that
are MARC compatible. It's been several years since I looked into this,
On 09/22/2015 07:11 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
There is a big difference between "can run" and "does run". I'd
wager that C *can* run on anything one could use for any reasonably
useful FORTRAN (thus excluding things like the IBM 1410 card oriented
FORTRAN compiler, though I am aware of an effort to
On 9/22/2015 8:49 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 09/22/2015 06:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
>
>> So, B was never actually a FORTRAN compiler, just Ken started
>> thinking about FORTRAN grammar and within one DAY took off in a
>> different direction. By that time (1969 or so) FORTRAN was a really
>> old
Hmmm. I am getting a DNS miss on www.smecc.org - was not getting that
earlier today.
JRJ
On 9/22/2015 8:37 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
> One thing first look at this andneed more info on it and docs.
>
> wish I had more info on this IBM tube type digital logic trainer
>
So, I am looking to convert my old Access database I have used for many
years to a MySQL database, with the expectation that I will eventually
publish it on a web page for public lookup.
Below is my first cut at a database design for it. I'd be happy for
comments and suggestions, to the list or d
On 09/22/2015 06:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
So, B was never actually a FORTRAN compiler, just Ken started
thinking about FORTRAN grammar and within one DAY took off in a
different direction. By that time (1969 or so) FORTRAN was a really
old language, and considered way out of date by most univer
One thing first look at this andneed more info on it and docs.
wish I had more info on this IBM tube type digital logic trainer
kit. comes in a wonderful fitted case with all kinds ofplugable
units
see url http://www.smecc.org/wpe_files/wpe45.jpg
current pro
On 09/22/2015 03:49 PM, Diane Bruce wrote:
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 04:35:24PM -0400, Paul Koning wrote:
And Unix was no different, 'C' started out as a Fortran compiler.
Really? "citation needed".
http://www.princeton.edu/~hos/Mahoney/expotape.htm
OK, Paul needed to read more closely. (Th
On 09/22/2015 03:35 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
On Sep 22, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Diane Bruce wrote:
...
But back in the 60's, every manufacturer had its own variety of FORTRAN,
including (IIRC), UNIVAC's own "FORTRAN V".
Ah, yes. I remember WatFor
And Unix was no different, 'C' started out as a For
Never Mind!
I put the 32K SRAM board back in with the top four fields disabled. Sure
enough, OS/8 booted and MEM showed 16K, which confirms my recollection that
it will work with less than 32K.
Then my lights came on - I had made an elementary error... I had selected
the wrong MM8-AB 16K c
wat?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 11:41, Murray McCullough
> wrote:
>
> I was reading an article in Maximum PC, Nov. 2015, p.82 that got my
> attention. It said: “When the lower orders knew their place?” I wonder
> if he means users of vintage computers? Just asking!
>
> Happy co
At 07:26 PM 9/22/2015, Charles wrote:
One of the reasons I bought Vince's 32K SRAM board for my 8/A is
because I was having flakiness with my "real" core boards (two 16K and
one 8K).
Now that OS/8 is running again, and my RL8A and two RL02's are as
debugged as they're going to get, I decided
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015, Murray McCullough wrote:
> I was reading an article in Maximum PC, Nov. 2015, p.82 that got my
> attention. It said: “When the lower orders knew their place?” I wonder
> if he means users of vintage computers? Just asking!
I wouldn't conclude that, but then I have no idea wha
On 09/22/2015 01:27 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
I mixed up 77 and 90. Although I was assigned to TEACH F77 in the
early 1980s, I was no longer using FORTRAN. WHAT?? You can input
and output without FORMAT??!?
You'd probably enjoy F90 even less.
--Chuck
One of the reasons I bought Vince's 32K SRAM board for my 8/A is because I
was having flakiness with my "real" core boards (two 16K and one 8K).
Now that OS/8 is running again, and my RL8A and two RL02's are as debugged
as they're going to get, I decided to experiment with the old core.
Put the
On 09/22/2015 01:22 PM, ben wrote:
On 9/22/2015 1:49 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
I can't think of OS's off hand but CP/M and Flex. Mr Gates Basic does
not count as OS.
There were many others. In particular, I did a lot of work on DX-85M.
True, but the Cross Assembler still would be FORTRAN. Th
I've also still got my original THINK sign but
you'd have to pry that from my cold dead fingers;
has anyone ever made a replica? Shouldn't be too
hard.
Since these desks did not have one originally, there is no need for
authenticitiy. Any engraving shop should be able to make you a small
bras
On 09/22/2015 01:35 PM, Rick Bensene wrote:
There were no index registers on this machine, only a single
accumulator register (implemented as a shift-register).
Not that uncommon, really. It was only Model II of the 1620 that had
index registers; the CADET didn't. No accumulator either--just
Ed wrote...
Pretty futile to restore until I have manuals and a load tape if
needed in front of me.
Not futile at all. Taking it apart, cleaning it up, replacing anything
obviously bad, checking out the power supply all things you can likely
do without a manual. You could go a
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
> I've also still got my original THINK sign but
> you'd have to pry that from my cold dead fingers;
> has anyone ever made a replica? Shouldn't be too
> hard.
(What I assume are) NOS ones appear on ebay pretty regularly. Not
always cheap and no
As mentioned previously IBM made (or put their
name on) all sorts of things, including several
telephones; I've got one somewhere but like much
of my junk no idea where at the moment.
I've also still got my original THINK sign but
you'd have to pry that from my cold dead fingers;
has anyone eve
I have some nice DGterminal brochures, always wanted to see the real thing
in person
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
> I have at least one D200 and a couple of 6053 terminals. One of the
> D200 terminals and one of the 6053 terminals (also called a Dasher D2)
> each had one k
Hi. The original ROM request showed up just before I started receiving
messages this morning, and I only got the tail end of the chatter. Instead
of tacking a reply on to that, I thought I'd just start a new thread and
introduce myself at the same time.
Here's what I think is 23-038e4-00 from an
> Don't you need an IBM phone to go with it?
Mike,
Please do explain...
Reading the two referenced links leads me to a different conclusion:
FORTRAN would not do the job at all, so he started from scratch - almost
immediately.
"Anyway, it took him about a day to realize that he didn't want to do a
Fortran compiler at all. So he did this very simple language called B
a
Nicely done! I love that printing terminal design. So retro
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:39 PM, Marc Verdiell
wrote:
> Oh, that blue 1970's psychedelic color! The fast line printer! The vacuum
> column drive (drool)! And it is alive! Congratulations!
> Marc
>
>
--
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS,
Don't you need an IBM phone to go with it?
- Original Message -
From: "Ali"
To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts'"
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: The desk has arrived - WAS: Somewhat
OT: Freighting Items
Huh, interesting ... I bet that t
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 04:35:24PM -0400, Paul Koning wrote:
>
> > On Sep 22, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Diane Bruce wrote:
> >
> >> ...
> >>> But back in the 60's, every manufacturer had its own variety of FORTRAN,
> >>> including (IIRC), UNIVAC's own "FORTRAN V".
> >> Ah, yes. I remember WatFor
> >
On 9/22/2015 2:22 PM, Diane Bruce wrote:
And Unix was no different, 'C' started out as a Fortran compiler.
And where do get said Knowledge?
Ben.
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Diane Bruce wrote:
>
>> ...
>>> But back in the 60's, every manufacturer had its own variety of FORTRAN,
>>> including (IIRC), UNIVAC's own "FORTRAN V".
>> Ah, yes. I remember WatFor
>
> And Unix was no different, 'C' started out as a Fortran compiler.
Really?
Chuck wrote:
>
> For those wondering about the notion of an "optimizing" assembler, one
> has to realize that 650 instructions were executed from a drum and were of
> the "1+1" addressing type. Calculating the optimal address of the next
> instruction was very tedious and a perfect task for autom
Wouldn't an F77 programmer be looking for Fortran, not FORTRAN?
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
It could be that "Fortran" was in common use, but I think not officially
adopted and sanctified by X3J3 until F90. I'd have to go reading through the
standards to figure it out--right now,
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 01:07:14PM -0700, Fred Cisin wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> > what an F77 programmer might recognize as FORTRAN.
>
> Wouldn't an F77 programmer be looking for Fortran, not FORTRAN?
>
> > But back in the 60's, every manufacturer had its own variety of FO
On 9/22/2015 1:49 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 09/22/2015 12:36 PM, ben wrote:
PL/M in FORTRAN made CP/M possible.
That to me seems more important than Pascal in Fortran.
I think that's an overstatement. There were plenty of 8-bit OS-es
written in assembly. That Gary did the first version of C
On 09/22/2015 01:07 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
what an F77 programmer might recognize as FORTRAN.
Wouldn't an F77 programmer be looking for Fortran, not FORTRAN?
It could be that "Fortran" was in common use, but I think not officially
adopted and sanctifi
So, I've been going through all my PDP-11 prints, looking for ones that aren't
already online (so I can scan/upload them). I have a couple (see later
message), but this is about something else.
In doing the above, I ran across an LSI-11 print set (MP-00706) which is
about 340 pages long, and conta
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
what an F77 programmer might recognize as FORTRAN.
Wouldn't an F77 programmer be looking for Fortran, not FORTRAN?
But back in the 60's, every manufacturer had its own variety of FORTRAN,
including (IIRC), UNIVAC's own "FORTRAN V".
Ah, yes. I remember
I wrote X.25 software in Fortran:-(. We had some machine specific routines
One of my first professional jobs after college was with a company that
created after-market hardware and software for Apollo workstations. Despite
having a good Pascal, I was tasked with (and completed) a port of a
s
Pretty futile to restore until I have manuals and a load tape if
needed in front of me. The previous owner said it powered up and did not
blow smoke so that is a good thing... but even still that was many
many years ago.
Unlike you Jay that has a 'mountain' of DG s
On 09/22/2015 12:36 PM, ben wrote:
PL/M in FORTRAN made CP/M possible.
That to me seems more important than Pascal in Fortran.
I think that's an overstatement. There were plenty of 8-bit OS-es
written in assembly. That Gary did the first version of CP/M using PL/M
was more a matter of conv
On 9/22/2015 12:11 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
National's assembler for Programmable Array Logic (PAL) chips, I
believe, was distributed as a FORTRAN product. Several microprocessor
cross-assemblers were likewise offered by their manufacturers.
PL/M in FORTRAN made CP/M possible.
That to me seems
On 09/22/2015 11:50 AM, m...@markesystems.com wrote:
Does anyone know where I could find some documentation about this
machine? Performance specs (memory size, speed, etc.) would be nice,
but I'd really like a detailed architecture and instruction set
description - you know, in case someone want
Ed wrote...
Our Eclipse is not as grand as some photos ,,, and the tape drive is a
small side by side reel unit that fits in the single rack here is a
photo of ours
http://www.smecc.org/data_general.htm
There's nothing non-grand about that. Nice non-blinken Eclipse wit
I was reading an article in Maximum PC, Nov. 2015, p.82 that got my
attention. It said: “When the lower orders knew their place?” I wonder
if he means users of vintage computers? Just asking!
Happy computing.
Murray :)
that may have been the one i had
In a message dated 9/22/2015 11:59:29 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
jw...@classiccmp.org writes:
On mine, there is no "blank panel space" to the right of the screen. The
screen takes up the entire horizontal width. Diagonally, the terminal
"hea
Jay Jaeger wrote...
The one with the head in a yoke in my case is a 6053 aka Dasher D2.
Interesting. Apparently there are two different ones that look like this -
"head in a yoke".
The ones in the picture that you mentioned being "6053 aka Dasher D2" are
NOT the one that I have.
The
Early 3rd generation machines had special instructions to finagle their
way around self-modifying code:
And some didn't: The HP 2100 and the PDP-8 (and I think the Honeywell
x16s), instead of a stack, would store the return address of subroutine
calls in the first word of the subroutine; obviou
The one with the head in a yoke in my case is a 6053 aka Dasher D2. I
have two of them. Last I knew, both work, aside from one key from the
one nicely wrapped up and sitting in my garage.
Looks like these: http://www.museumwaalsdorp.nl/computer/images/GRP.jpg
from Jay West's post.
We could tal
I have at least one D200 and a couple of 6053 terminals. One of the
D200 terminals and one of the 6053 terminals (also called a Dasher D2)
each had one key that did not work last I checked. I would guess that
they suffer from a kind of "key rot" similar to Sol computers.
OK. NOW I GET IT. Blue
On 09/21/2015 11:37 PM, Dave Wade wrote:
If you wanted portability then Fortran or Cobol were pretty much all
you had. Whilst there may have been C compilers you probably didn't
have one, certainly in the world of commerce. Which is why our X.25
code was in Fortran..
There's always PRIMOS, the
yes ET! the one in the with the head in the yoke although anything
blue and pretty would be better than nothing! Our Eclipse is not as
grand as some photos ,,, and the tape drive is a small side by side
reel unit that fits in the single rack here is a photo of ours...
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Jay West
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 6:08 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: would like to find blue dg et head looking terminal to go with
small eclipse
Jay Jaeger wrote...
??? What do you mean by "blue dg
Jay Jaeger wrote...
??? What do you mean by "blue dg et head looking terminal" ???
I'd bet that he's referring to the Data General Dasher D200 terminal.
I have one:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/131070638@N02/21058074082
But perhaps a better picture:
http://maben.homeip.net/static/s1
> I gave three of those to the college for use as classroom machines.
>
> I had gotten them for next to nothing,
Fred,
They are a bit harder to find but still relatively cheap. This is the third
or fourth one I've run across. One, in Orange county, got trashed before I
could get to it. Of the ot
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015, Ali wrote:
http://www.vintagecomputing.com/index.php/archives/878/retro-scan-of-the-week-the-official-ibm-pc-desk
I likde those.
I gave three of those to the college for use as classroom machines.
I had gotten them for next to nothing, because they were sized for 5150,
n
I'll certainly keep you in mind, thanks!
Now I just have to find 'em...
m
- Original Message -
From: "Noel Chiappa"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms
> From: Mike Stein
> I don't think I can scan the print set;
??? What do you mean by "blue dg et head looking terminal" ???
On 9/21/2015 8:39 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
> would like to find blue dg et head looking terminal to go with small
> eclipse
> this thing is a beauty and has a tiny side by side reel to reel deck
>
> just would be nic
> From: Mike Stein
> I don't think I can scan the print set; IIRC the pages were longer
> than 14".
How much longer? My A3 scanner will take up to 17". I'd be happy to scan them
for you (and return them afterwards) if you send them to me.
(BTW, this offer is open to everyone/anyone -
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 9:42 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>
> ...
> Right. In a way you could say that in RSTS/E you pick the best solution for
> the job. No need to tie yourself one way or the other. I wonder, did anyone
> ever write a Unix RTS for RSTS/E? It should be doable...
Not that I know
On 2015-09-22 06:58, tony duell wrote:
HOWEVER, while the PDP-11 is still unable to perform an
LLF on an RX50 when an RQDX3 is present, it is possible
to perform an LLF on a floppy in an RX33. Does that still
seem compatible with your explanation?
Yes, that confused me too. The RQDX3 is clearl
> Huh, interesting ... I bet that thing is built like an old Steelcase!
> Looks heavy :O
Sean,
It is built pretty well. Think late 1970s early 1980s furniture. It has heavy
metal supports w/ casters built in but the "wood" is plywood - mind you not the
cheap light stuff from today but certainly
ist an 6800L and in this machine it is a gold capped case.
On 21-09-15 18:01, Erik Baigar wrote:
Jon Elson hat am 21. September 2015 um 17:47
geschrieben:
Hmm, that sounds like my 1076C. One board had a 68000 that
ran the plotter servos, the other was the "plot manager"
that had a big RAM buffe
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