Front Panels - Update

2015-10-29 Thread rod
Hi Guys As per previous update I'm off to my silk screen printers today. Thanks to lots of help from list members I have identified most of the different PDP8/e panel types that exist. 1. PDP-8/e Type A: Selector switch starts from _vertical (12 o'clock)_ position

Re: Omnibus TSC8-75 schematic?

2015-10-29 Thread Eric Smith
If a schematic isn't available, but a unit was made available on loan to reverse-engineer, I'd be willing to do it. Recently I reverse-engineered a schematic and the firmware of a Zendex ZX-200A Multibus floppy disk controller, which replaces both the iSBC-201 single density controller and iSBC-202

Re: Omnibus TSC8-75 schematic?

2015-10-29 Thread Paul Anderson
Hi Rick, Call me if you can. Paul 217 766 7690 On 10/28/15, Rick Bensene wrote: > While there are documents out there that describe the function of the > Educomp/Quodata TSC8-75 Timeshare System Controller for Omnibus PDP 8 > machines, I have searched high and low, and there doesn't seem to be

Re: Honeywell "Teletype"

2015-10-29 Thread COURYHOUSE
it would only be reasonable if you needed it to compete a display that used that particular cased unit. adn you really had to have it... otherwise as a 33 it is vastly overpriced! Ed# In a message dated 10/29/2015 2:27:54 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, unclefal...@yahoo.ca writes: I

RE: Massey Dickinson - help identify

2015-10-29 Thread Dave G4UGM
Well I guess you could use it for many things. It looks like one paper tape reader or perhaps punch, I think there are 60 lamp drivers, a few AND gates, lots of OR gates. A counter. Delay circuits and memories. So a Trainer is possible... Dave G4UGM > -Original Message- > From: cctalk

Re: Massey Dickinson - help identify

2015-10-29 Thread Nick Allen
here are some close up photos: https://goo.gl/photos/1hxkfkei4jKoWXtP8 https://goo.gl/photos/jhaqLndqbkqX4kV68 https://goo.gl/photos/dmZVBV3gwGJqSZK58 https://goo.gl/photos/sKJorbim7eRTsdVQ8 https://goo.gl/photos/sy6UcUCCPnRHB4ic8 On 10/29/2015 5:28 PM, Nick Allen wrote: Looking for help ide

Re: Massey Dickinson - help identify

2015-10-29 Thread rod
Looks a bit like a simulator of some sort. Its difficult to see what the modules are. It could be an analog system. Rod On 29/10/15 22:28, Nick Allen wrote: Looking for help identifying these 2 pieces of Massey Dickinson equipment. I was told this machine is a trainer of sorts, but have my d

RE: Massey Dickinson - help identify

2015-10-29 Thread Dave G4UGM
Any ideas what the legends say. Could be some sort of trainer. Lots used analog simulation.. > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Nick Allen > Sent: 29 October 2015 22:29 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Massey Dickinson - help iden

Massey Dickinson - help identify

2015-10-29 Thread Nick Allen
Looking for help identifying these 2 pieces of Massey Dickinson equipment. I was told this machine is a trainer of sorts, but have my doubts: https://goo.gl/photos/ktBMTiYXxLZd8dH1A But per the research I have done, the only reference of Massey Dickinson and PDP8s are for Data Acquisition, I

Apple II Rev 2 value?

2015-10-29 Thread Brad
I have a rev 4 Apple II in the 38000 s/n range. I'm hoping to, over the years, gradually trade my way up to a Rev 0. I've seen Rev 0 units go on ebay recently for around $3000ish. Below that seems to be a jumble, mostly to do with completeness, originality, etc. Although, no always. Some have

RE: Honeywell "Teletype"

2015-10-29 Thread Brad
I was kind of eyeing this too but the shipping is a problem. I didn't know Teletype did the 'private label' kind of thing? So $2500 is reasonable for something like that? -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of David Williams Sent: Wednesday

Re: RF08/RS08 photos and panel measurements (Re: RK11-C Panel)

2015-10-29 Thread Jay Jaeger
I apparently didn't create the sharable link I intended to. Try https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2v4WRwISEQRTkVRX2NPMThILWM&usp=sharing JRJ On 10/29/2015 3:28 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote: > Looking at the document at: > > http://dustyoldcomputers.com/pdp-common/reference/drawings/peripherals/

RF08/RS08 photos and panel measurements (Re: RK11-C Panel)

2015-10-29 Thread Jay Jaeger
Looking at the document at: http://dustyoldcomputers.com/pdp-common/reference/drawings/peripherals/docs/DEC-08-HIEA-DA_RF08_Jun70.pdf The picture, though extremely fuzzy, matches my panel in the organization of legends and breaks in line. Since I have what I think is a complete RF08, and pieces

Re: RF08/RS08 photos and panel measurements (Re: RK11-C Panel)

2015-10-29 Thread rod
Hi Jay Is this what you want me to look at with a view to panel reproduction ? Rod On 29/10/15 20:28, Jay Jaeger wrote: Looking at the document at: http://dustyoldcomputers.com/pdp-common/reference/drawings/peripherals/docs/DEC-08-HIEA-DA_RF08_Jun70.pdf The picture, though extremely

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-10-29 20:35, tony duell wrote: When you had machines with an RL-drive "internal", you normally did not use a cab kit. That was for external drives. The same is true for all other DEC drives I know as well. I've certainly seen direct cabling internally for SDI drives as well as external c

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-10-29 20:22, Ethan Dicks wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Glen Slick wrote: In case anyone happens to be looking for the cab kit, conflansrd / JT Computer has had one listed on eBay for a while: http://www.ebay.com/itm/151628333033 CK-RLV1A-KA 15' CABLE RLV12 M8061 CABKIT FOR BA

RE: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread tony duell
> > When you had machines with an RL-drive "internal", you normally did not > use a cab kit. That was for external drives. The same is true for all > other DEC drives I know as well. I've certainly seen direct cabling > internally for SDI drives as well as external cabling for RX50 and TK50. The

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Glen Slick wrote: > In case anyone happens to be looking for the cab kit, conflansrd / JT > Computer has had one listed on eBay for a while: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/151628333033 > CK-RLV1A-KA 15' CABLE RLV12 M8061 CABKIT FOR BA23 (USED) That's not the cab kit

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread Glen Slick
In case anyone happens to be looking for the cab kit, conflansrd / JT Computer has had one listed on eBay for a while: http://www.ebay.com/itm/151628333033 CK-RLV1A-KA 15' CABLE RLV12 M8061 CABKIT FOR BA23 (USED) Asking $50, but they have been known to accept lower offers.

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-10-29 18:45, Ethan Dicks wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Ben Sinclair wrote: I only have one RL02, so I think that cable should work. I ordered it anyway! That cable (BC80M) will work even if you get a second drive. No matter how the first drive is attached to the controller,

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-10-29 18:44, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: Ben Sinclair > the bc80m cable .. which I believe is a ribbon type of connector with a > ground strap on one end, then a round cable to the berg connector for > the back of the RL02. I think it's the cable pictured here: >

RE: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread tony duell
[RL cables] > AFAIK that cable is purely a bus (i.e. no radial per-drive wires), so you > should just be able to run it to the second connector, no issue. However, > I'm too lazy to check to make sure that's absolutely 100% accurate. :-) It is just a bus. The internal drive cable is just a lenght

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Ben Sinclair wrote: > I only have one RL02, so I think that cable should work. I ordered it anyway! That cable (BC80M) will work even if you get a second drive. No matter how the first drive is attached to the controller, to add a drive, you remove the terminator

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Ben Sinclair > the bc80m cable .. which I believe is a ribbon type of connector with a > ground strap on one end, then a round cable to the berg connector for > the back of the RL02. I think it's the cable pictured here: > http://www.cosam.org/computers/dec/pdp11-23/200

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread Ben Sinclair
I only have one RL02, so I think that cable should work. I ordered it anyway! I'll keep an eye out for other controllers, but I think I will order an extender and attempt to debug the one I have. On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Ben Sinclai

Re: Up for Auction: Memory from the First Computer in Space

2015-10-29 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/28/2015 11:48 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: Another topic: what is a Honeywell Alert machine? Searches are just bringing up some current-day "Honeywell Instant Alert" messaging system. Oh, one other thing, the Alert is supposed to be the second computer ever manufactured with integrated circu

Re: Up for Auction: Memory from the First Computer in Space

2015-10-29 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/28/2015 11:48 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: Very interesting to hear of another scheme, but it's not clear whether it applies to the Gemini auction memory. The BiAX scheme shows cores with the holes (apertures as they're called in the business) perpendicular to each other. In contrast, the Ge

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Ben Sinclair wrote: > Thanks! I did find someone who has the bc80m cable available, which I > believe is a ribbon type of connector with a ground strap on one end, > then a round cable to the berg connector for the back of the RL02. I > think it's the cable pictur

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread Ben Sinclair
Thanks! I did find someone who has the bc80m cable available, which I believe is a ribbon type of connector with a ground strap on one end, then a round cable to the berg connector for the back of the RL02. I think it's the cable pictured here: http://www.cosam.org/computers/dec/pdp11-23/20080403.h

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Ben Sinclair > A while back I was talking to someone else who suggested using a ribbon > cable from the controller to directly inside the drive. I've heard that suggestion too... > That technically will fit if I remove the ribbon inside the drive that > goes to the ex

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread Glen Slick
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Ben Sinclair wrote: > > I unfortunately don't have an extender card... I just searched eBay > for a few things, but didn't see any. Do they have a part number or > some other description that I might look for? If you need an extender card just buy a new one from D

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-10-29 14:39, Ben Sinclair wrote: Moving the boards after before the DLV-11 was an attempt to see if Noel's idea around the DLV-11 not passing the grant might have been an issue, so not completely random! However, I've been guilty of plenty of random testing before! Well, not important.

Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015

2015-10-29 Thread rod
Ah Ha! So not just me. Liam too. Why would they keep such an event hidden? Perhaps there is a secret powerful group within the normal computer collecting community. Was it all done by encrypted email, secret signs, or special handshakes? Are the pictures real or were they done in a f

Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015

2015-10-29 Thread Liam Proven
On 28 October 2015 at 08:58, rod wrote: > Well they managed to keep that quiet or I would have gone like a shot. > My wife and I go to Germany three or four times a year on holiday. > > I worked in Germany for a year (1969/70) and speak enough German to get > around. > > So I am totally hacked of

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread Ben Sinclair
Assuming I eventually get the controller working, I started looking at my cabling and I don't think I have what I need to hook up the drive. A while back I was talking to someone else who suggested using a ribbon cable from the controller to directly inside the drive. That technically will fit if I

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-29 Thread Ben Sinclair
Moving the boards after before the DLV-11 was an attempt to see if Noel's idea around the DLV-11 not passing the grant might have been an issue, so not completely random! However, I've been guilty of plenty of random testing before! I unfortunately don't have an extender card... I just searched eB