Re: Triprocessor PDP-10 [Was: Re: [multicians] Emacs humor]

2015-12-02 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 06:47:12PM +, Rich Alderson wrote: > From: Pontus Pihlgren > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 12:19 AM > > > On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 02:13:06AM +, Rich Alderson wrote: > > >> KL-10/PDP-10/PDP-6 triprocessor, and KL-10/PDP-10 dual processor and > > > You make

Re: PDT-11/150 Field Maintenance Print Set wanted

2015-12-02 Thread Paul Anderson
what all do you want? On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:59 AM, Eric Smith wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > > I might have a hard copy I can loan you. Can you scan a copy for > bitsavers? > > Yes. I'd be glad to do that, and mail it back. Thank you! >

Re: Purchased a Microvax 3800

2015-12-02 Thread Glen Slick
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:22 PM, devin davison wrote: > > I removed that cpu board out and took a couple of pictures. There is one > connector, on the top, with two notches in it. Same as the controller board > I just bought. I would assume that is the DSSI connector? > > http://postimg.org/gallery

Re: Triprocessor PDP-10 [Was: Re: [multicians] Emacs humor]

2015-12-02 Thread Eric Smith
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Rich Alderson wrote: > Yes. Eric Smith was incorrect in his identification of the processor as a > KI-10. That was a thinko or typo. I knew it was a KA10, I'm not sure how KI10 got into the message. Thanks for the correction.

Re: PDT-11/150 Field Maintenance Print Set wanted

2015-12-02 Thread Eric Smith
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > I might have a hard copy I can loan you. Can you scan a copy for bitsavers? Yes. I'd be glad to do that, and mail it back. Thank you!

Re: PDT-11/150 Field Maintenance Print Set wanted

2015-12-02 Thread Paul Anderson
I just did a quick check and found PDT11/110 and /130 prints, along with VT278. The PDT11/150 could be anywhere. I might have manuals and pocket guides also. When I have time and money, I'll have my librarian come back for a few days. D n On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 10:43

Re: Purchased a Microvax 3800

2015-12-02 Thread devin davison
Thank you for all the helpful information Glen. I will definately grab that scsi interface when i get the funds, I have a scsi cd drive already to be used with my SGi gear. I removed that cpu board out and took a couple of pictures. There is one connector, on the top, with two notches in it. Same

Re: PDT-11/150 Field Maintenance Print Set wanted

2015-12-02 Thread Zane Healy
I’d sure love to see a copy on bitsavers, one of these days I’d like to try to resurrect mine. So it would be great if someone who can scan the printset would. :-) Zane > On Dec 2, 2015, at 8:40 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > > I might have a hard copy I can loan you. Can you scan a copy for bi

Re: PDT-11/150 Field Maintenance Print Set wanted

2015-12-02 Thread Paul Anderson
I might have a hard copy I can loan you. Can you scan a copy for bitsavers? Paul On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > I have a non-working PDT-11/150, which fails self test 7 (console > USART) and when not in test mode, and with autobaud disabled, doesn't > send anything to the

PDT-11/150 Field Maintenance Print Set wanted

2015-12-02 Thread Eric Smith
I have a non-working PDT-11/150, which fails self test 7 (console USART) and when not in test mode, and with autobaud disabled, doesn't send anything to the console. I dumped the ROMs (two 82S2708 1Kx8 PROM for LSI-11 code, three 8316E 2Kx8 masked ROM for the 8085 I/O processor, and one 8316E for

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Fred Cisin
I tried measuring a whole bunch of circles, and I can't find any rational reason why dividing the circumference by the diameter never came out even! :-) On Thu, 3 Dec 2015, Johnny Billquist wrote: You need to measure more of them! You've just been unlucky. OK! I started to wonder whether I nee

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-12-03 00:22, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, Tony wrote: Mathematically, circumference is PI times diameter or 3.14159. times the diameter. That's of a CIRCLE, and once you deform it, it ceases to be a circle. I tried measuring a whole bunch of circles, and I can't find any

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, Tony wrote: Mathematically, circumference is PI times diameter or 3.14159. times the diameter. That's of a CIRCLE, and once you deform it, it ceases to be a circle. I tried measuring a whole bunch of circles, and I can't find any rational reason why dividing the circu

Re: Searching HP drivers/libraries for E2071/82341 HP-IB

2015-12-02 Thread supervinx
Il giorno mer, 02/12/2015 alle 11.32 -0800, Glen Slick ha scritto: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:43 AM, supervinx wrote: > > Hi! > > I'm looking for drivers of E2071/82341 HP-IB ISA card. > > I think they should be contained in the WNG0202.EXE self extracting > > archive. > > If you go to the Previo

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 12/02/2015 01:51 PM, Rik Bos wrote: It's not the first time this discussion comes around.. Poly Urethane rubber, it's called in dutch 'precisie buis/slang' and you can get it in several sizes from 6mm to . large http://www.deboerit.nl/ is my supplier it's a local firm. That's curious--when

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Rod Smallwood
Hi Well it certainly works for you Rik. I dont speak Dutch and its not clear exactly which of the products you refer to. The end of hub appears to have been turned on a lathe. So if you speak Dutch and have a nice big lathe in your shed you can fix your TU58 For us lesser mortals the searc

RE: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Rik Bos
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] Namens tony duell > Verzonden: woensdag 2 december 2015 22:29 > Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts > Onderwerp: RE: TU-58 > > > > > This is the picture.. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/hp-fix/94528052

Re: Triprocessor PDP-10 [Was: Re: [multicians] Emacs humor]

2015-12-02 Thread Phil Budne
Michael Thompson wrote: > 1026 TOPS-10 DEC Development Marlboro, MA KL1099 Tri-SMP Scrapped 12/14/97 > 1042 TOPS-10 DEC Development Marlboro, MA KL1099 Tri-SMP Scrapped 12/14/97 > 1322 TOPS-10 DEC Development Marlboro, MA KL10 Tri-SMP This is almost CERTAINLY derived from the list of CPU (APR) ID

RE: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Rik Bos
> I'm also intessted in this. I have a dual TU-58 that belongs to my VAX > 11/730 that need new capstan rubber. European source... > > /Anders This is the picture.. https://www.flickr.com/photos/hp-fix/9452805294/in/album-72157634959418702/ I'm using a special kind of hose, which is precisely ma

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Anders Sandahl
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 12:40:08 + > From: Rod Smallwood > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Subject: TU-58 > Message-ID: <565ee6a8.2030...@btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Dear List > While the silk

RE: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread tony duell
> > This is the picture.. > https://www.flickr.com/photos/hp-fix/9452805294/in/album-72157634959418702/ > I'm using a special kind of hose, which is precisely made. OK, what is it called, who makes it, and where can you buy it? -tony

RE: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Rik Bos
Anders, I can fix them, if you look at my Flickr page you can see some examples of new capstans I made.about halfway the site. www.flickr.com/hp-fix And of the HP3000 ;) -Rik -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: "Anders Sandahl" Verzonden: ‎2-‎12-‎2015 20:51 Aan: "cct...@classiccmp.org" Onde

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Jay Jaeger
I have no idea what the material is called. I just bought something that was close on the O.D. and I.D. that I thought would work. But, when I look up PEX tubing at Home Depot, I found some stuff with .625" O.D. which is maybe just a tad smaller than what I found, and 0.5" I.D. which seems bigge

RE: Oak Ridge PDP setups

2015-12-02 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Todd Killingsworth Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 11:18 AM >> Lots of places. The folks at Oak Ridge ("Atomic City") ran a 5-processor >> SMP configuration. > Rich - can you elaborate on this any? Which facility, what was it used > for? I've got family from Oak Ridge, and its unusual

Re: Searching HP drivers/libraries for E2071/82341 HP-IB

2015-12-02 Thread Glen Slick
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:43 AM, supervinx wrote: > Hi! > I'm looking for drivers of E2071/82341 HP-IB ISA card. > I think they should be contained in the WNG0202.EXE self extracting > archive. If you go to the Previous Versions tab on this page should be able to find Keysight IO Libraries Suite 1

Oak Ridge PDP setups

2015-12-02 Thread Todd Killingsworth
>Lots of places. The folks at Oak Ridge ("Atomic City") ran a 5-processor >SMP configuration. Rich - can you elaborate on this any? Which facility, what was it used for? I've got family from Oak Ridge, and its unusual for my vintage computer / atomic history to intersect like this. Todd Killin

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Rod Smallwood
Sorry forgot to use feed back from the tape. Usually a timing track or a phase locked loop clock drived from the data stream. Don't worry On 02/12/2015 17:50, tony duell wrote: Circumference and Diameter are linked by the constant Pi and therefore are an entity. Its a little more complex wit

RE: Triprocessor PDP-10 [Was: Re: [multicians] Emacs humor]

2015-12-02 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Pontus Pihlgren Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 12:19 AM > On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 02:13:06AM +, Rich Alderson wrote: >> KL-10/PDP-10/PDP-6 triprocessor, and KL-10/PDP-10 dual processor and > You make it sound like someone hacked up a computer consisting of one > KL-10, one PDP

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Paul Anderson
Is that PEX tubing you are referring to Jay? Any one have ideas for a TU10 or other tape drive capstans? On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: > I used orange over black tubing designed for carrying water under > pressure from Home Depot (here in the US), and then sanded it down to

Re: Triprocessor PDP-10 [Was: Re: [multicians] Emacs humor]

2015-12-02 Thread Michael Thompson
> > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 09:18:56 +0100 > From: Pontus Pihlgren > Subject: Triprocessor PDP-10 [Was: Re: [multicians] Emacs humor] > > You make it sound like someone hacked up a computer consisting of one > KL-10, one PDP-10 and one PDP-6. But I assume you mean homogenic > three-processor machine

RE: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread tony duell
> Mathematically, circumference is PI times diameter or 3.14159. times > the diameter. Doesn't that depend on the defintion of 'distance' in that a circle is the set of points in a plane equidistant from a given fixed point? Using the 'normal' definition of distance you do indeed get the ab

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, Paul Koning wrote: I'm sorry for stirring up this hornet's nest. Well, I put "emoticons" in, in a futile attempt to indicate that I was joking. ("emoticon captioned for the humo[u]r impaired") I also hoped that the "in some states" would give a further hint to that. I cou

RE: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread tony duell
> > Circumference and Diameter are linked by the constant Pi and therefore > are an entity. > Its a little more complex with a rubber wheel and its indented path. Indeed. And that may even depend on the type of 'rubber' used and how it deforms when pressed against the cartridge drive wheel. Remem

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Jay Jaeger
In my case the roller does not distort noticeably - it was pretty stiff material. JRJ On 12/2/2015 10:48 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > I'm sorry for stirring up this hornet's nest. > > I actually meant to ask a real question, and the way I phrased it made a mess > of things. The real question: fo

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 12/2/2015 9:50 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > Thanks Jay > Yes there's an optical encoder on the other end of the motor. > Depending on the pressure of the roller on the cassette drive wheel it > will deform more or less. > That effectivley changes the diameter and hence the speed. So yo

Searching HP drivers/libraries for E2071/82341 HP-IB

2015-12-02 Thread supervinx
Hi! I'm looking for drivers of E2071/82341 HP-IB ISA card. I think they should be contained in the WNG0202.EXE self extracting archive. Thanks!

Re: Oberon and the OberonStation (retro-style FPGA computing)

2015-12-02 Thread Liam Proven
On 2 December 2015 at 17:54, Jos Dreesen wrote: > On 02.12.2015 15:04, Liam Proven wrote: >> >> On 24 November 2015 at 08:45, Mark Wickens >> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for letting us know about this William - I'm sure there is still >>> plenty of interest in Oberon, Modula-2, Modula-3 and other deriv

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Rod Smallwood
I'd rarther get a bit of tube for my TU58. Hint The key is to understand the nature of elasticity in particular the rate change with respect to time. On 02/12/2015 16:48, Paul Koning wrote: I'm sorry for stirring up this hornet's nest. I actually meant to ask a real question, and the way I p

Re: Oberon and the OberonStation (retro-style FPGA computing)

2015-12-02 Thread Jos Dreesen
On 02.12.2015 15:04, Liam Proven wrote: On 24 November 2015 at 08:45, Mark Wickens wrote: Thanks for letting us know about this William - I'm sure there is still plenty of interest in Oberon, Modula-2, Modula-3 and other derivatives. Was there ever an ARM version? I am wondering how hard it

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Paul Koning
I'm sorry for stirring up this hornet's nest. I actually meant to ask a real question, and the way I phrased it made a mess of things. The real question: for rubber rollers in this sort of application, does the distortion that occurs significantly affect the circumference? Or is the nature

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Liam Proven
On 2 December 2015 at 17:13, Tony wrote: > Mathematically, circumference is PI times diameter or 3.14159. times the > diameter. [1] Please do not top-quote. [2] Turn up your humour detectors. The OP was making a joke about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill That is why h

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Rod Smallwood
I say.. come on chaps.. this is not math 101. Any more suggestions for sources of a bit of rubber tube? Rod Smallwood On 02/12/2015 16:13, Tony wrote: Mathematically, circumference is PI times diameter or 3.14159. times the diameter. On 12/2/2015 11:06 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 2

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Rod Smallwood
Hi Guys Circumference and Diameter are linked by the constant Pi and therefore are an entity. Its a little more complex with a rubber wheel and its indented path. However as we are using closed loop control when the measured term equals the target term there you are. You can get into loop fil

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread j...@cimmeri.com
Ugh... Could this thread get any more offensive to people's knowledge.. On 12/2/2015 11:13 AM, Tony wrote: Mathematically, circumference is PI times diameter or 3.14159. times the diameter. On 12/2/2015 11:06 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, Paul Koning wrote: Actually, it's

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Tony
Mathematically, circumference is PI times diameter or 3.14159. times the diameter. On 12/2/2015 11:06 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, Paul Koning wrote: Actually, it's the circumference that matters, not the diameter. I always thought that there was a relatively stable relatio

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, Paul Koning wrote: Actually, it's the circumference that matters, not the diameter. I always thought that there was a relatively stable relationship between those! :-) Circumference tends to be a little over 3 times the diameter (3.0 in some states):-) Does the circ

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Paul Koning
> On Dec 2, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Rod Smallwood > wrote: > > Thanks Jay >Yes there's an optical encoder on the other end of the motor. > Depending on the pressure of the roller on the cassette drive wheel it will > deform more or less. > That effectivley changes the diameter and hence

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Rod Smallwood
Thanks Jay Yes there's an optical encoder on the other end of the motor. Depending on the pressure of the roller on the cassette drive wheel it will deform more or less. That effectivley changes the diameter and hence the speed. So you need to set it. Its a DC motor so you can con

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Jay Jaeger
I used orange over black tubing designed for carrying water under pressure from Home Depot (here in the US), and then sanded it down to a reasonable O.D. size (IIRC). Worked great. I don't know that the diameter is absolutely critical - I think it has some kind of speed encoding. On 12/2/2015 6:

Re: TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > I have a TU-58 and yes it had gooey drive wheels. > Now it no longer has that problem but I have black and gooey fingers.!!! Yep. > I know this issue has been addressed before. Yep. > So I think somebody must know where I can get the right

Re: Triprocessor PDP-10 [Was: Re: [multicians] Emacs humor]

2015-12-02 Thread Al Kossow
On 12/2/15 12:18 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 02:13:06AM +, Rich Alderson wrote: KL-10/PDP-10/PDP-6 triprocessor, Who, besides Peter Löthberg, ran threeprocessor machines? SAIL, which is the triprocessor Rich is referring to.

Re: Oberon and the OberonStation (retro-style FPGA computing)

2015-12-02 Thread Liam Proven
On 24 November 2015 at 08:45, Mark Wickens wrote: > Thanks for letting us know about this William - I'm sure there is still > plenty of interest in Oberon, Modula-2, Modula-3 and other derivatives. Was there ever an ARM version? I am wondering how hard it would be to port to Raspberry Pi... --

RE: Oberon and the OberonStation (retro-style FPGA computing)

2015-12-02 Thread Dave Wade
Spartan 3E inputs can be made 5V tolerant with a series resistor... http://www.xilinx.com/support/answers/19146.html Dave G4UGM > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of William > Maddox > Sent: 02 December 2015 08:32 > To: 'General Discussio

TU-58

2015-12-02 Thread Rod Smallwood
Dear List While the silk screeners process the panels I have a couple of days for a little project I have a TU-58 and yes it had gooey drive wheels. Now it no longer has that problem but I have black and gooey fingers.!!! I know this issue has been addressed before. So I think

Re: [multicians] Emacs humor

2015-12-02 Thread Noel Chiappa
>> I think the elevator hack involved the AI Lab PDP-6 (or maybe, later, >> PDP-10) I can supply definitive bits here (I have read the code involved). The actual interface to the elevator was in one of the PDP-11 front-ends on the MIT-AI KA10 (memory escapes me as to whether it was the TV

Re: Interfacing PDP 11/05 to VT 50

2015-12-02 Thread DougTest
Hi Ethan, I would be *very* interested on one of those for my 11/05 - including shipping to sunny Australia :-) Doug On 12/2/2015 11:13 AM, Ethan Dicks wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Mattis Lind wrote: ... should be passive... The same goes for the VT1XX option on the VT100 which

Re: Oberon and the OberonStation (retro-style FPGA computing)

2015-12-02 Thread Eric Smith
> Do you have 5 volt I/O with the OberonStaion FPGA? > I was thinking of using it as general FPGA card. No, the FPGA pins are neither 5V, nor 5V-tolerant. The last Xilinx FPGA that had 5V-tolerant I/O was the Spartan II. Xilinx does still make CPLDs that are 5V-tolerant, the XC95nnXL series.

Re: Triprocessor PDP-10 [Was: Re: [multicians] Emacs humor]

2015-12-02 Thread Eric Smith
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > You make it sound like someone hacked up a computer consisting of one > KL-10, one PDP-10 and one PDP-6. Yes, the processors were a KL10, a KI10, and a 166 (PDP-6 CPU). Needless to say, that was not a DEC-supported configuration.

RE: Oberon and the OberonStation (retro-style FPGA computing)

2015-12-02 Thread William Maddox
>Do you have 5 volt I/O with the OberonStaion FPGA? >I was thinking of using it as general FPGA card. The serial port is 3.3v according to the website. I haven't attempted to use the serial port or the GPIO pins, but I believe they are all 3.3 volts for the Spartan 3 series. Check the data sh

Triprocessor PDP-10 [Was: Re: [multicians] Emacs humor]

2015-12-02 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 02:13:06AM +, Rich Alderson wrote: > > KL-10/PDP-10/PDP-6 triprocessor, and KL-10/PDP-10 dual processor and > You make it sound like someone hacked up a computer consisting of one KL-10, one PDP-10 and one PDP-6. But I assume you mean homogenic three-processor ma