Emulex QD32 Format Program

2016-02-11 Thread Jacob Ritorto
Does anyone still have a copy of the "Emulex LSI/PDP MSCP Formatter Program (SXMX8B) ? My QD32 emerged from storage in a foul mood and is giving me errors I don't understand when I use the manual entry methods for inputting geometry and issuing a format. From what I can tell, it's complaining tha

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 02/11/2016 05:39 PM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: Since your answer seems to be an unstated question, I will attempt to answer what you might have inferred. I was just attempting to note that the CDC 3300 hardware was able to support that function more than a DECADE earlier. By 1967 when I arrived

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Rich Alderson wrote: From: Jerome H. Fine Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 8:56 AM Jon Elson wrote: We paid somewhere between 200 and 250K for our first 11/780. We had an RM05 and a TU77, and 256 KB of memory. It was a pretty basic system, but ran rings around the campus 360/65 system.

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/11/2016 10:56 AM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: >Jon Elson wrote: >On 02/11/2016 08:56 AM, Mark Wickens wrote: It's good to hear that the VAX was a cost-effective solution - there are too many stories about how expensive DEC gear was, but I imagine they primarily came after PCs started droppi

RE: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread Jay West
Guy wrote... - In late '86 I was running a VAX8500 with 2 RA81s - Can't be true. There's no such thing as running RA81's *Grin* J

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread Stefan Skoglund (lokal
tor 2016-02-11 klockan 13:41 -0800 skrev Glen Slick: > My memories from the early 1980s are of a room full of undergrads > working on rows of VT100s (maybe 50+ at least?) on a DECSYSTEM-2065 > running TOPS-20. > > Things usually seemed to run pretty well on that system, until the > night before p

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread Guy Dawson
In late '86 I was running a VAX8500 with 2 RA81s and a TU80 for Deluxe Coachlines in Australia. We computerised their coach reservation system. System growth was brisk as the company and the application grew. The 8500 became an 8550 and gained some more RA81s and then in late 87 we move to a new s

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread Paul Koning
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote: > >> ... > > In the mid-to-late 70’s, I was an undergrad at CMU. I had accounts on the > CS department’s systems. When I started, it was 2 KA10s. Eventually a > KL10 was added (all running a *heavily* patched version of TOPS10). > > During

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread Glen Slick
My memories from the early 1980s are of a room full of undergrads working on rows of VT100s (maybe 50+ at least?) on a DECSYSTEM-2065 running TOPS-20. Things usually seemed to run pretty well on that system, until the night before programming assignments were due. Nothing quite like a room full o

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread Guy Sotomayor
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 12:39 PM, William Donzelli wrote: > >> Indeed. RSTS/E did better, with less hardware -- 64 users on an 11/70 was >> no problem, and earlier on you could run 16 users on an 11/20 (though not >> all that comfortably). > > It all depends on what the users are doing, of cou

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread William Donzelli
> Indeed. RSTS/E did better, with less hardware -- 64 users on an 11/70 was no > problem, and earlier on you could run 16 users on an 11/20 (though not all > that comfortably). It all depends on what the users are doing, of course. When I went to school back in the late 1980s, the main computer

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread William Donzelli
> From the very beginning? That is, 25 October 1977? Some of the DECpeople that have graced the halls of RCS/RI have a wildly different opinion. VMS 1.0 was a total kludge, and could make an 11/780 fall over in no time flat. 2.0 was a huge improvement. VMS just had to go back in the oven for a w

Re: Dumb terminals and many sessions (was Re: VAXen and minimal memory)

2016-02-11 Thread William Donzelli
> I have no doubts that was true when selling systems, but I remember > seeing the paperwork from when we were growing, so 10 new employees > meant 10 new terminals (and sometimes one more CS21)... Oh yes, when you are cornered, they know when to strike! While DEC (or IBM or HP or...) probably ma

Dumb terminals and many sessions (was Re: VAXen and minimal memory)

2016-02-11 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 12:11 PM, William Donzelli wrote: >> DEC VT100s >> were around $1,800 in the early-1980s, > > VT100s (and terminals in general) often were used as bargaining chips > to sweeten deals, so the price was quite "flexible". I have no doubts that was true when selling systems, b

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread Paul Koning
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 2:48 PM, Rich Alderson > wrote: > > From: Jerome H. Fine > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 8:56 AM > >>> Jon Elson wrote: > >>> We paid somewhere between 200 and 250K for our first 11/780. We had >>> an RM05 and a TU77, and 256 KB of memory. It was a pretty basic >

RE: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Jerome H. Fine Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 8:56 AM >> Jon Elson wrote: >> We paid somewhere between 200 and 250K for our first 11/780. We had >> an RM05 and a TU77, and 256 KB of memory. It was a pretty basic >> system, but ran rings around the campus 360/65 system. We also had a

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread Sue Skonetski
Just thinking about Mark’s email here. Keeping in mind that this is from a DEC persons point of view. You probably all know and appreciate this. While the DEC hardware may have been more expensive than other companies many customers are still running the hardware today. I am thinking of sever

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread William Donzelli
> DEC VT100s > were around $1,800 in the early-1980s, VT100s (and terminals in general) often were used as bargaining chips to sweeten deals, so the price was quite "flexible". -- Will

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Mark Wickens wrote: > It's good to hear that the VAX was a cost-effective solution - there are > too many stories about how expensive DEC gear was, but I imagine they > primarily came after PCs started dropping in price. > > On 9 February 2016 at 04:50, Ethan Dicks

Re: 11/73 into 11/03 chassis?

2016-02-11 Thread Jerome H. Fine
Jacob Ritorto wrote: On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:45 PM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: Specifically, I always use a SEPARATE PC power supply for the hard disk drives. Yep, this sounds like exactly where I went wrong. Two RD32s running 24/7. Took it only a couple months to burn out. In the next in

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Jon Elson wrote: >On 02/11/2016 08:56 AM, Mark Wickens wrote: It's good to hear that the VAX was a cost-effective solution - there are too many stories about how expensive DEC gear was, but I imagine they primarily came after PCs started dropping in price. We paid somewhere between 200 and

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/11/2016 08:56 AM, Mark Wickens wrote: It's good to hear that the VAX was a cost-effective solution - there are too many stories about how expensive DEC gear was, but I imagine they primarily came after PCs started dropping in price. We paid somewhere between 200 and 250K for our first 11

Re: VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

2016-02-11 Thread Mark Wickens
It's good to hear that the VAX was a cost-effective solution - there are too many stories about how expensive DEC gear was, but I imagine they primarily came after PCs started dropping in price. On 9 February 2016 at 04:50, Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 11:11 PM, william degnan >

Re: Real tape drive densities

2016-02-11 Thread Christian Corti
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016, CuriousMarc wrote: Note that Christian Corti stated that his drive is capable of 9-track operation. That's an E. It is not an E. (Apparently that will also write 9-track PE at 1600bpi, but it will write 9-track NRZI at 800bpi). I would know that ;-) Interesting. So