Re: Which RT-11 for an 11/03

2016-03-12 Thread Don North
Ok, filed as: https://github.com/simh/simh/issues/285 On 3/12/2016 11:14 PM, Don North wrote: Fixed! sim> set cpu 11/34 256K fpp sim> set tdc enable sim> attach tdc0 tu58.dsk sim> b tdc0 BOOTING UP XXDP-XM EXTENDED MONITOR XXDP-XM EXTENDED MONITOR - XXDP V2.5 REVISION: F0 BOOTED FROM DD0 124K

Re: Which RT-11 for an 11/03

2016-03-12 Thread Don North
Fixed! sim> set cpu 11/34 256K fpp sim> set tdc enable sim> attach tdc0 tu58.dsk sim> b tdc0 BOOTING UP XXDP-XM EXTENDED MONITOR XXDP-XM EXTENDED MONITOR - XXDP V2.5 REVISION: F0 BOOTED FROM DD0 124KW OF MEMORY UNIBUS SYSTEM RESTART ADDRESS: 152000 TYPE "H" FOR HELP ! In file pdp11_td.c, comm

Re: Which RT-11 for an 11/03

2016-03-12 Thread Don North
So I turned on full debug on the TDC device and I see the boot block is being read correctly (bytes A0,00,20,01,...) but in the register reads following that transfer the boot block to the PDP11 the first byte (A0) is never seen, only bytes 00,20,01,... So it appears to be a real bug in the TU58

Re: Which RT-11 for an 11/03

2016-03-12 Thread Don North
I've been doing some testing on the (new) SIMH TU58 device, and am finding that reading the boot block does not work. I have TU58 bootable images, and when I try and boot from them in SIMH they halt/crash. I adapted my PDP-11 M(312 TU58 boot code to a loadable SIMH image, and found that it a

Type 270 disk file on PDP-6

2016-03-12 Thread Eric Smith
I just was looking at the I/O device code assignments in the 1973 DECsystem-10 System Reference Manual, and happened to notice the entry for the Type 270 disk file used on the PDP-6. PDP-6 and PDP-10 device codes are three octal digits, of which the third digit can only be 0 or 4. The device code

Re: A gold mine for anybody in Austin...

2016-03-12 Thread James Vess
I'm in Houston and could make the trip, Anyone here interested in the systems listed? I would need to see enough interest to go do it though, as even though I'd love to get these and just play with them, but I wouldn't be able to keep them. I can't let myself go nuts collecting as I'm living the

Re: Sun 4/260

2016-03-12 Thread James Vess
Thanks Mattis! I'm going to give him a follow. It's been hard to find these systems or even cards anymore on Ebay, it went from a few then fell to none. I usually filter international though, so I don't have any insight there. Part of why I really appreciate you providing that! Maybe the spring G

Re: Sun 4/260

2016-03-12 Thread James Vess
I honestly am a bit surprised, as other dealings I've had with groups that focus on technology typically are not as welcoming or responsive. Thanks! It's a great start to my future w/ classiccmp ;) Al, I'm in Texas so I'm not too far away. Given the unit's size, I'd need to do local pickup ( unle

Introduction and Alpha Micro AM-1200 query

2016-03-12 Thread Ross Sponholtz
Hi Everyone, I just subscribed on the cctalk mailing list, I thought I’d introduce myself.  The first computer that I ever used was an Alpha Micro AM-100 at my high school, where I had the extra project of figuring out Pascal and explaining it to the teacher.  I’m pretty excited about Eric and A

Re: Which RT-11 for an 11/03

2016-03-12 Thread Don North
Whoops slight correction .. . the TU58 protocol supports a 16b block number, so it is 65536 blocks of 512B, or 32MB maximum. On 3/12/2016 3:55 PM, Don North wrote: Well looks like I have been living in the past ... I have been using v3.9 SIMH from the SIMH website (the 'legacy' version) and h

Re: Which RT-11 for an 11/03

2016-03-12 Thread Don North
Well looks like I have been living in the past ... I have been using v3.9 SIMH from the SIMH website (the 'legacy' version) and have now gone an upgraded to the github v4.0 version. This one it appears has supported the serial virtual TU58 device since mid 2015 (at least by comment dates). I

Re: A gold mine for anybody in Austin...

2016-03-12 Thread Rod Smallwood
On 12/03/2016 23:24, Ali wrote: Unfortunately, I'm nowhere near Austin! But here is a great gold mine for somebody local http://austin.craigslist.org/sys/5436553322.html Sounds fishy/weird? He can only recall having two (maybe more) Next systems but he wants to sell everything in his house an

RE: A gold mine for anybody in Austin...

2016-03-12 Thread Ali
> Unfortunately, I'm nowhere near Austin! But here is a great gold mine > for somebody local http://austin.craigslist.org/sys/5436553322.html Sounds fishy/weird? He can only recall having two (maybe more) Next systems but he wants to sell everything in his house and garage for $600 to make room?

Re: Honneywell multics? from panels. the inline phots in this message folks...

2016-03-12 Thread David Griffith
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016, jim s wrote: What is the provenance / source of the panels? Mine came from an acquisition by Nick Allen from a collection in Georgia.  I believe there was a Multics installation in Atlanta they were removed from. The panels on the 6180 at USL were all inside side access pa

Re: Sun 4/260

2016-03-12 Thread Mike Ross
On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 1:45 AM, Roland Schregle wrote: > Hi James, > > FWIW, I have slightly more recent Sun 4/330 (SparcServer 330) in my basement > in Germany looking for a new home. Not familiar with the 260 and how they > differ tho. Oh... that's one of the last VME machines? I'm hopefull

A gold mine for anybody in Austin...

2016-03-12 Thread Vintage Perfect
Unfortunately, I'm nowhere near Austin! But here is a great gold mine for somebody local http://austin.craigslist.org/sys/5436553322.html

RE: Honneywell multics? from panels. the inline phots in this message folks -smecc

2016-03-12 Thread Dave Wade
Copied back to the main list…. OK on the L66 machines I worked on we always kept the doors closed, there was an application, can’t remember its name, we ran on a VDU by the system console that displayed the Job Queues, State of Active Jobs, CPU utilization etc. There was also a MIPS meter on t

Re: Honneywell multics? from panels. the inline phots in this message folks -smecc

2016-03-12 Thread Charles Anthony
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Dave Wade wrote: > Copied back to the main list…. > > > > OK on the L66 machines I worked on we always kept the doors closed, there > was an application, can’t remember its name, we ran on a VDU by the system > console that displayed the Job Queues, State of Acti

Re: OT: lenses (Was: Front Panels - PDP8 and PDP 11

2016-03-12 Thread Roland Schregle
On 12/03/2016, at 12:54 PM, Marco Gariboldi wrote: > 2016-03-12 0:06 GMT+01:00 Roland Schregle : > >> >> Have the Tessar on a 3.5B (aka MX-EVS). Excellent expect when wide open as >> mentioned here, though I wouldn't call it entry level. I think Zeiss made >> an earlier, sub-standard lens (Bio

Re: Sun 4/260

2016-03-12 Thread Roland Schregle
Hi James, FWIW, I have slightly more recent Sun 4/330 (SparcServer 330) in my basement in Germany looking for a new home. Not familiar with the 260 and how they differ tho. --GT -- "END OF LINE" [MCP, 1982] On 12/03/2016, at 9:56 AM, James Vess wrote: > Howdy there folks, > > I've been k

Re: Honneywell multics? from panels. the inline phots in this message folks -smecc

2016-03-12 Thread Charles Anthony
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Charles Anthony > > > The enormous number of configuration switches is due to the extreme > > modularity of the system. ... Each bank could taken out of service > > The really amazing thing (considering the vintage) was

Re: Honneywell multics? from panels. the inline phots in this message folks -smecc

2016-03-12 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Charles Anthony > The enormous number of configuration switches is due to the extreme > modularity of the system. ... Each bank could taken out of service The really amazing thing (considering the vintage) was that that reconfiguration could be done with the power on, and the

RE: Any word on the Multics revival front?

2016-03-12 Thread Dave G4UGM
> > > Multics includes a GCOS (6 I think) emulator which allows some GCOS > programs to run under Multics. (The GCOS emulator copies the GCOS > program to a segment, and executes the segment in BAR mode with an > offset of 0; the GCOS application does OS calls with the MME (Master Mode > Entry) ins

Re: Any word on the Multics revival front?

2016-03-12 Thread Charles Anthony
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Zane Healy wrote: > > > On Mar 12, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Charles Anthony < > charles.unix@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > There is a also the GCOS TSS subsystem which is an interactive > programming > > environment supporting several languages (Multics includes the BA

Re: Any word on the Multics revival front?

2016-03-12 Thread Eric Swenson
Multics does have a C compiler — it may have been developed at Waterloo (or Calgary?). I just checked the pnotice and see that it is copyright Honeywell and AT&T. It is pretty lame and the run-time library is (obviously) ancient. It includes a c preprocessor, a curses library, make, lint, a

Re: Any word on the Multics revival front?

2016-03-12 Thread Zane Healy
> On Mar 12, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Charles Anthony > wrote: > > There is a also the GCOS TSS subsystem which is an interactive programming > environment supporting several languages (Multics includes the BASIC and > FORTRAN runtimes). Sadly, there remain some emulator bugs that are causing > some

Re: Honneywell multics? from panels. the inline phots in this message folks...

2016-03-12 Thread Charles Anthony
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:57 AM, wrote: > and forhorrible deep level maint. I would imagine they would be > useful > > they look like something too complex to let operations level people > diddle with... > but are these used with exactly WHICH Honeywell system? If we

AM-100 board set

2016-03-12 Thread Al Kossow
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201536498192 FYI (esp Cameron) I was the buyer. The instruction decoder will be decapped, and the microcode roms send to Eric Smith for reading

Re: Honneywell multics? from panels. the inline phots in this message folks...

2016-03-12 Thread Charles Anthony
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:21 AM, jim s wrote: > What is the provenance / source of the panels? > > Mine came from an acquisition by Nick Allen from a collection in Georgia. > I believe there was a Multics installation in Atlanta they were removed > from. > > Multics site: SCSI. Southern Company

Re: Honneywell multics? from panels. the inline phots in this message folks...

2016-03-12 Thread jim s
What is the provenance / source of the panels? Mine came from an acquisition by Nick Allen from a collection in Georgia. I believe there was a Multics installation in Atlanta they were removed from. The panels on the 6180 at USL were all inside side access panels for one of the rows of hard

Re: Honneywell multics? from panels. the inline phots in this message folks...

2016-03-12 Thread Zane Healy
In order to qualify as a GCOS-8 Operator I was required to know how to configure all of these from memory, so I could configure and cold-boot the system from scratch. As a Systems Analyst, I never touched them. We had two DPS-8 mainframes. One was a single CPU Development system, that at nigh

Re: Honneywell multics? from panels. the inline phots in this message folks...

2016-03-12 Thread COURYHOUSE
and forhorrible deep level maint. I would imagine they would be useful they look like something too complex to let operations level people diddle with... but are these used with exactly WHICH Honeywell system? If we are going to display them need to tell

Re: Any word on the Multics revival front?

2016-03-12 Thread Charles Anthony
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Kevin Monceaux wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 08:51:28PM -0800, Zane Healy wrote: > > > What I’d like to know is if any copies of GCOS-8 exist in the wild. > > That’s what I’d personally really like to boot on the emulator. > > I would too. I've always been cu

Re: Any word on the Multics revival front?

2016-03-12 Thread Eric Swenson
While I don't know of any GCOS 8 systems out there, Multics does include a GCOS batch simulator. Some customers of Multics used it (in preference to GCOS) because it was actually faster. While I can't vouch for the completeness or correctness of the GCOS batch system's working under the emulato

Re: Any word on the Multics revival front?

2016-03-12 Thread Kevin Monceaux
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 08:51:28PM -0800, Zane Healy wrote: > What I’d like to know is if any copies of GCOS-8 exist in the wild. > That’s what I’d personally really like to boot on the emulator. I would too. I've always been curious about Honeywell OSes. Well, I'm curious about any mainframe

Re: Sun 4/260

2016-03-12 Thread Al Kossow
On 3/12/16 12:56 AM, James Vess wrote: Howdy there folks, I've been kicking myself for giving away a dying Sun4/260 due to space issues and moving about 15 years ago and since then my life has settled I've started looking occasionally to see if I can find another one. Where are you? I have

Re: VMS 4.4 source code microfiche

2016-03-12 Thread Al Kossow
On 3/12/16 8:11 AM, Antonio Carlini wrote: It's probably worth experimenting a little No, it's not. I'm sorry, but file size matters squat compared to the time it's going to take to scan them.

Re: VMS 4.4 source code microfiche

2016-03-12 Thread Paul Koning
> On Mar 12, 2016, at 11:38 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > > On 3/12/16 8:11 AM, Antonio Carlini wrote: > >> It's probably worth experimenting a little > > No, it's not. > I'm sorry, but file size matters squat compared to the time it's > going to take to scan them. I agree. Also, converting f

Re: VMS 4.4 source code microfiche

2016-03-12 Thread Antonio Carlini
On 12/03/16 16:04, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: Can that scanner produce anything other than massive .png files? I wonder whether it can do B&W G4 encoded at something like 600dpi. That should cut the size down a bit and produce something that perhaps could then be OCRd. My recollection is tha

Re: VMS 4.4 source code microfiche

2016-03-12 Thread j...@cimmeri.com
Can that scanner produce anything other than massive .png files? - J. On 3/11/2016 9:12 PM, devin davison wrote: Well, I have the scanner and the time, I am going to put in online anyways. It may not be the full source, but perhaps it will come in handy for someone else. I only spent a few

Re: Honneywell multics? from panels. the inline phots in this message folks -smecc

2016-03-12 Thread Charles Anthony
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 6:44 AM, Dave G4UGM wrote: > The panels would be pretty much un-used Unlike 360 panels these were > hidden behind doors for most of the time. Assuming the work the same on a > Multics box as on a regular L66/DPS box the only time they were really used > was if you split a

RE: Honneywell multics? from panels. the inline phots in this message folks -smecc

2016-03-12 Thread Dave G4UGM
The panels would be pretty much un-used Unlike 360 panels these were hidden behind doors for most of the time. Assuming the work the same on a Multics box as on a regular L66/DPS box the only time they were really used was if you split a 2 x CPU system into 2 x 1 CPU system, or changed the memory c

Re: VMS/RSTS/RSX manuals available, SOC, DECdirect books, Newmarket UK

2016-03-12 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Adrian Graham wrote: On 11/03/2016 17:54, "Paul Koning" wrote: They're in a sales office and I forgot about them when you visited otherwise you could've taken them. I'm guessing at the versions but it'll probably be VMS 5.5 and RSTS4 but I can check on Monday. RSTS V4 (from 1973) is

Re: Which RT-11 for an 11/03

2016-03-12 Thread Richard Cini
Jerome — Thanks for jumping in here. All good questions, and here’s what my plan is. I bought the H11 as a project. I have a soft spot for the PDP-11, after owning (and donating) an 11/34 to the RICM. This unit needed a lot of physical TLC but was believed to be functional (it

Re: Any word on the Multics revival front?

2016-03-12 Thread COURYHOUSE
ok have sent panel photos to those on this multics convo anyone else can email me for some or talk to the others do not thing thins list passes images? seems these are like he ones in Jim's link below. we have 2 sets... one we will display here the other set is up in the ai

Re: OT: lenses (Was: Front Panels - PDP8 and PDP 11

2016-03-12 Thread Marco Gariboldi
2016-03-12 0:06 GMT+01:00 Roland Schregle : > > Have the Tessar on a 3.5B (aka MX-EVS). Excellent expect when wide open as > mentioned here, though I wouldn't call it entry level. I think Zeiss made > an earlier, sub-standard lens (Biotar ?) for Rollei before they could > deliver 75mm Tessars. >

Re: Sun 4/260

2016-03-12 Thread Mattis Lind
2016-03-12 9:56 GMT+01:00 James Vess : > Howdy there folks, > > I've been kicking myself for giving away a dying Sun4/260 due to space > issues and moving about 15 years ago and since then my life has settled > I've started looking occasionally to see if I can find another one. > > Has anyone seen

Re: VMS/RSTS/RSX manuals available, SOC, DECdirect books, Newmarket UK

2016-03-12 Thread Adrian Graham
On 11/03/2016 17:54, "Paul Koning" wrote: >> They're in a sales office and I forgot about them when you visited otherwise >> you could've taken them. I'm guessing at the versions but it'll probably be >> VMS 5.5 and RSTS4 but I can check on Monday. > > RSTS V4 (from 1973) is from the white binde

Re: Any word on the Multics revival front?

2016-03-12 Thread jwsmobile
On 3/11/2016 11:45 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote: I have front panels for Honeywell huge black and white with tons of tiny switches and leds. kind of like these http://www.glennsmuseum.com/components/pics/multics_panel_cu2.jpg http://www.glennsmuseum.com/components/pics/multics_pa

Re: OT: lenses (Was: Front Panels - PDP8 and PDP 11

2016-03-12 Thread Roland Schregle
On 11/03/2016, at 8:01 AM, Zane Healy wrote: > >> On Mar 10, 2016, at 10:05 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote: >> >> I wonder if the tele tessar was a true tessar design or just a use >> of 'the name' ? I have seen snipits in google referring to it being a >> true >> telephoto... with

Re: today's haul

2016-03-12 Thread Earl Evans
Very nice, congrats! Looking forward to the pictures. - Earl On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Jay West wrote: > A system I have always wanted (spent much of my career working on) has > finally been acquired. > > > > A Prime (Pr1me) model 2250 aka "rabbit". The cpu chassis is in the > foregroun

Sun 4/260

2016-03-12 Thread James Vess
Howdy there folks, I've been kicking myself for giving away a dying Sun4/260 due to space issues and moving about 15 years ago and since then my life has settled I've started looking occasionally to see if I can find another one. Has anyone seen any of these units in a workable condition that are

Re: Any word on the Multics revival front?

2016-03-12 Thread Eric Smith
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:21 AM, Dave Wade wrote: [GCOS-8] > Sadly, I doubt it very much. It was still in use on emulated hardware until > relatively recently and I assume BULL was still making money from it and > guarding its assets. Thinkage still have GCOS products listed on their web > site

RE: Any word on the Multics revival front?

2016-03-12 Thread Dave Wade
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Zane Healy > Sent: 12 March 2016 04:51 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Any word on the Multics revival front? > > > > On Mar 11, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Kevin Monce