Re: AW: When did Memory- and IO Protection Emerge (Esp. in Minis)?

2016-05-04 Thread William Donzelli
> Well, I don't know. By the time the Cyber 18 came out, it was a 120 VAC > powered unit that a strongish person could lift off the floor (about 90 > lbs)--and functionally pretty much the same machine as the original > 1700, just implemented with more advanced technology. 1774 was from about 196

Re: AW: When did Memory- and IO Protection Emerge (Esp. in Minis)?

2016-05-04 Thread William Donzelli
> Could someone with access to the OED please check up the first use of the > term "minicomputer" > I strongly suspect it was around the time that the PDP11/20 came out or > slightly later. Ngram shows the first real use about 1967, with a peak about 1983. -- Will

Re: AW: When did Memory- and IO Protection Emerge (Esp. in Minis)?

2016-05-04 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 05/04/2016 10:10 PM, Curious Marc wrote: > For the fun of the argument: I was privileged enough to see Carl's > IBM 1130, and to my newbie eye, it may justifiably earn the title of > "small" computer, when compared to its brethren of the time. But it > would never occur to me to call it a mini!

RE: Facit 4070 to PC interface

2016-05-04 Thread tony duell
> Has anyone ever worked up a PC parallel port to Facit 4070 paper tape > punch interface? Are you talking about a modern USB-parallel cable type interface or the original PC parallel interface where you could individually control all the lines? > I found one on a Swedish website. The punch para

Re: AW: When did Memory- and IO Protection Emerge (Esp. in Minis)?

2016-05-04 Thread Curious Marc
For the fun of the argument: I was privileged enough to see Carl's IBM 1130, and to my newbie eye, it may justifiably earn the title of "small" computer, when compared to its brethren of the time. But it would never occur to me to call it a mini! It's quite a biggie computer actually. Heavy stuf

Re: AW: When did Memory- and IO Protection Emerge (Esp. in Minis)?

2016-05-04 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 05/04/2016 08:24 PM, ANDY HOLT wrote: > Could someone with access to the OED please check up the first use of > the term "minicomputer" I strongly suspect it was around the time > that the PDP11/20 came out or slightly later. The IBM 1130 and 1800 > were comparable to the /original/ CDC 1700, we

Re: Facit 4070 to PC interface

2016-05-04 Thread Bob Rosenbloom
On 5/4/2016 5:52 PM, Charles Dickman wrote: Has anyone ever worked up a PC parallel port to Facit 4070 paper tape punch interface? I found one on a Swedish website. The punch parallel input looks like it is TTL compatible, but I can't find anything in the documentation that describes the input v

Re: AW: When did Memory- and IO Protection Emerge (Esp. in Minis)?

2016-05-04 Thread ANDY HOLT
Could someone with access to the OED please check up the first use of the term "minicomputer" I strongly suspect it was around the time that the PDP11/20 came out or slightly later. The IBM 1130 and 1800 were comparable to the /original/ CDC 1700, were similarly launched in the mid 60s, but simi

Re: AW: When did Memory- and IO Protection Emerge (Esp. in Minis)?

2016-05-04 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 05/04/2016 05:07 PM, ANDY HOLT wrote: > >> Is the CDC 1700 considered to be in the family of "minicomputers"? >> (i.e. was the word invented before then?). > > Though functionally it sort of had the minicomputer nature, it was > physically a bit large for that term … would have been called a

Crippled connectivity [was Re: FidoNet ....show [was: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email...]

2016-05-04 Thread Mouse
>> There are services like http://www.noip.com/free where you can get a >> DNS entry for dynamically changing IP addresses. This way you can >> run a BBS without having to buy a business class account. > Yeah... unless I am behind a NAT - and I believe I am behind at least > two, of which at least

Re: Facit 4070 to PC interface

2016-05-04 Thread dwight
Most punches with a parallel input can be cross wired to a parallel port. If the strobe is upside down, you can use one of the other signals. Many punches have a jumper for the strobe polarity. Dwight From: cctalk on behalf of Charles Dickman Sent: Wed

Facit 4070 to PC interface

2016-05-04 Thread Charles Dickman
Has anyone ever worked up a PC parallel port to Facit 4070 paper tape punch interface? I found one on a Swedish website. The punch parallel input looks like it is TTL compatible, but I can't find anything in the documentation that describes the input voltage specifications. Chuck

Re: AW: When did Memory- and IO Protection Emerge (Esp. in Minis)?

2016-05-04 Thread ANDY HOLT
> Is the CDC 1700 considered to be in the family of "minicomputers"? > (i.e. was the word invented before then?). Though functionally it sort of had the minicomputer nature, it was physically a bit large for that term … would have been called a "process control" computer. I also don't think I h

Re: AW: When did Memory- and IO Protection Emerge (Esp. in Minis)?

2016-05-04 Thread Curious Marc
In the not mini but very maxi category, I just learned that IBM implemented memory protection as an RPQ (customer feature) at the request of the MIT folks that built the first IBM time sharing system (CTSS, the predecessor of Multics), on their IBM 7094. Around 1963, unless it was already implem

Re: AW: When did Memory- and IO Protection Emerge (Esp. in Minis)?

2016-05-04 Thread Curious Marc
> Marc wrote... > - > My 1974 HP 21MX, descendant of the HP 2100A, sure inherited this Memory > Protect card. One register that you load, prevents access to any memory below > the address of the register. > > That's just the fence register (memory access interception) capability. > Th

Re: Firming up rubber? (was: Cleaning rubber goo)

2016-05-04 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Wed, 4 May 2016, Swift Griggs wrote: > > Don?t know the cost either, might be way over the top for a joystick! > > Another solution I heard was to wipe with isopropyl alcohol or > > goo-be-gone, but common sense tells me it?s > > Heh, there are guys who do their Ph.D on stuff like this (mate

Re: AW: When did Memory- and IO Protection Emerge (Esp. in Minis)?

2016-05-04 Thread Chuck Guzis
Is the CDC 1700 considered to be in the family of "minicomputers"? (i.e. was the word invented before then?). If so, the 1700 had a rather elaborate system of memory and peripheral protection. Circa 1965 (at least that's the date on my manual). --Chuck

Re: FidoNet ....show [was: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email...

2016-05-04 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 06:09:00AM -0700, geneb wrote: > On Wed, 4 May 2016, Tomasz Rola wrote: > > >Now I even started to think, very shyly, how nice would it have been [...] > >can sell me "business" service. Ugh. This is tempting but I am > >strong. :-) > > > There are services like http://www.

Re: Firming up rubber? (was: Cleaning rubber goo)

2016-05-04 Thread Swift Griggs
On Wed, 4 May 2016, Curious Marc wrote: > Well I currently have that problem with fancy cars of Italian origins, > and knowledgeable people told me the real solution is to take the parts > out and send them to: stickynomore.com (yes, their real name) That's neat. I wish I had that problem (fancy

Re: tsx-plus wikipedia article

2016-05-04 Thread Chris Elmquist
On Wednesday (05/04/2016 at 02:13PM -0500), Jay West wrote: > > 4) They say the latest version of TSX-Plus has TCP/IP support. That's > not true, at least not built in. There was a TCP/IP stack done by a 3rd > party (actually, think it was a person that ported one and put it in a > public con

RE: AW: When did Memory- and IO Protection Emerge (Esp. in Minis)?

2016-05-04 Thread Jay West
Marc wrote... - My 1974 HP 21MX, descendant of the HP 2100A, sure inherited this Memory Protect card. One register that you load, prevents access to any memory below the address of the register. That's just the fence register (memory access interception) capability. There's also the I/

RE: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-04 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Sean Conner Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 12:00 PM > It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: >> The way LispMs worked, AIUI, is that the machine language wasn't Lisp, >> it was something far simpler, but designed to map onto Lisp concepts. > The Lisp machines had tagged me

Re: Firming up rubber? (was: Cleaning rubber goo)

2016-05-04 Thread Fred Cisin
On a similar note, does any have a solution to firm up rubber that is just starting to gooify? These days, it is hard to find "Ubik".

Re: AW: When did Memory- and IO Protection Emerge (Esp. in Minis)?

2016-05-04 Thread Curious Marc
My 1974 HP 21MX, descendant of the HP 2100A, sure inherited this Memory Protect card. One register that you load, prevents access to any memory below the address of the register. Marc From: cctalk on behalf of Gottfried Specht Reply-To: "cctalk@classiccmp.org" Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2016

Re: Firming up rubber? (was: Cleaning rubber goo)

2016-05-04 Thread Curious Marc
Well I currently have that problem with fancy cars of Italian origins, and knowledgeable people told me the real solution is to take the parts out and send them to: stickynomore.com (yes, their real name) Parts get returned in two weeks, look like new and never get sticky again. At least that’s

Re: tsx-plus wikipedia article

2016-05-04 Thread Fred Cisin
On Jay West vs Wikipedia, always bet your money on Jay West Wikipedia is an amateur effort, with some serious attempts to try to reduce the errors. On Wed, 4 May 2016, Paul Koning wrote: If you see an error in Wikipedia, the friendly answer is to fix the error, not to grumble about it on ma

Re: Steve Dompier's coding...

2016-05-04 Thread Pete Lancashire
Reminds me of a challenge I had in the early 80's The place I worked made IC test and evaluation systems, starting price in 1980 was around $300K and many where close to $1.5 million. This one was for IBM. They were designing a 288K bit ram and one thing they wanted was to be able to 'see' failed b

Re: tsx-plus wikipedia article

2016-05-04 Thread Paul Koning
> On May 4, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > On Wed, 4 May 2016, Jason Scott wrote: >> On Jay West vs Wikipedia, always bet your money on Jay West > > Wikipedia is an amateur effort, with some serious attempts to try to reduce > the errors. If you see an error in Wikipedia, the friend

Re: tsx-plus wikipedia article

2016-05-04 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 4 May 2016, Jason Scott wrote: On Jay West vs Wikipedia, always bet your money on Jay West Wikipedia is an amateur effort, with some serious attempts to try to reduce the errors. It is almost inevitable that somebody will declare something to have been included if THEY had it, not ev

Re: tsx-plus wikipedia article

2016-05-04 Thread Jason Scott
On Jay West vs Wikipedia, always bet your money on Jay West On May 4, 2016 15:13, "Jay West" wrote: > I was skimming the Wikipedia article for tsx-plus, some of it seemed off to > me. Anyone know the facts for sure? > > > > 1) They suggest tsxplus generally didn't support more than 8 users >

tsx-plus wikipedia article

2016-05-04 Thread Jay West
I was skimming the Wikipedia article for tsx-plus, some of it seemed off to me. Anyone know the facts for sure? 1) They suggest tsxplus generally didn't support more than 8 users well. At my high school, we had 16 users on it constantly and it seemed to perform very well. Anyone have exper

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-04 Thread Sean Conner
It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 29 April 2016 at 21:06, Sean Conner wrote: > > It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > > > I read that and it doesn't really seem that CAOS would have been much > > better than what actually came out. Okay, the po

Release Notes for version 6.5 of TSX-Plus...

2016-05-04 Thread Lyle Bickley
I just received from S&H a PDF copy of the TSX 6.50 Release Notes - and Jay has posted it to the http://tsxplus.classiccmp.org website. Lots of interesting/helpful information for all you TSX-Plus buffs... Cheers, Lyle -- 73 AF6WS Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black

Steve Dompier's coding...

2016-05-04 Thread Bill Sudbrink
I took a peek at the access logs for the Cromemco Dazzler files that I recently put up on my web server. I'm gratified to see that a lot of people are taking advantage of the availability of these documents, that have not recently (if ever) been easily available on the web. I also see that a lot

AW: When did Memory- and IO Protection Emerge (Esp. in Minis)?

2016-05-04 Thread Gottfried Specht
Erik, I'm not sure whether it qualifies for your full list, but the HP2100A (that came out in 1971) had a "Memory Protect" hardware that "Gives the security necessary to protect a defined area of memory from alteration by a user program. Priority: Second highest priority interrupt (shared wit

Re: Titlers, Switchers, Paintboxes, Paint Apps and Old Broadcast Equipment

2016-05-04 Thread ethan
Back in the early 90's I remember that many times I'd see a print advertisement for a Video Toaster or a new genlock card, they'd say things like "features you'd have to pay thousands for in a professional paintbox or titler!" I always wondered what they were talking about, since I'd never seen ho

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-04 Thread Peter Coghlan
Paul Koning wrote: > > > On May 3, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > > > > ... The system has been modified over time, with some types (e.g. > > carrier pigeon -B-) dropped > > But then where does that leave RFC 1149 compliant networks? > > paul > Up in the air would be my guess.

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

2016-05-04 Thread Paul Koning
> On May 3, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > > ... The system has been modified over time, with some types (e.g. > carrier pigeon -B-) dropped But then where does that leave RFC 1149 compliant networks? paul

Re: Ideas for running a VB4 application on modern hardware?

2016-05-04 Thread Liam Proven
On 4 May 2016 at 15:32, geneb wrote: >> VMware Player is freeware, not FOSS, and there might be licensing issues. >> > Irrelevant. (EULAs have the same value as toilet paper and shoul be used > for the same purpose.) No, not really. Sadly. Anyway, it's irrelevant, as the OP has now clarified th

Re: Ideas for running a VB4 application on modern hardware?

2016-05-04 Thread Mike Whalen
On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 8:32 AM, geneb wrote: > >> 64 bit host OS = 64 Bit XP Mode VM. (AFAIK) > I’m not sure offhand what the default is, but I have gotten around this problem running XP Mode on a Windows 7 x64 installation. So that XP Mode is definitely 32-bit. Cheers, m

Re: Ideas for running a VB4 application on modern hardware?

2016-05-04 Thread geneb
On Wed, 4 May 2016, Liam Proven wrote: On 3 May 2016 at 16:20, geneb wrote: The issue is that with 64 bit versions of windows, the 16 bit thunking layer isn't present. The simplest way to do this is to grab VMWare Player (free download) and then create a Win98 VM. Google can point to a numbe

Re: Ideas for running a VB4 application on modern hardware?

2016-05-04 Thread Mike Whalen
I’m going to get a demonstration of this program in the next day or so. It _sounds_ like it’s just a program they use to remind two individuals what taxes are due for the various organizations the work for. If it’s really just a calendar, I am going to suggest moving that data into a new Exchange c

Re: FidoNet ....show [was: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email...

2016-05-04 Thread geneb
On Wed, 4 May 2016, Tomasz Rola wrote: Now I even started to think, very shyly, how nice would it have been to posess even one real IP4 number and have one such thing on my router. It can run Linux (or so OpenWRT guys claim), so it can run gopherd too. Albeit I would rather have non-Linux on it.

Re: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

2016-05-04 Thread Liam Proven
On 29 April 2016 at 22:23, Eric Smith wrote: > More than 95% of my work is in C, > because that's what my clients demand, so people are usually surprised > to hear my opinion that C is a terrible choice for almost anything. I am in an analogous boat. Most of my career has been based on Windows,

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-04 Thread Liam Proven
On 30 April 2016 at 06:36, Tapley, Mark wrote: > On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > >> I loved BeOS but never saw the Be Book. :-( > > Sorry if this is a duplicate, I’m behind on the list by a little. I think the > Be Book is effectively on-line at > > https://www.haiku-os.org/leg

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-04 Thread Liam Proven
On 29 April 2016 at 21:06, Sean Conner wrote: > It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: >> >> Do you really think it's growing? I'd like very much to believe that. >> I see little sign of it. I do hope you're right. > > I read Hacker News and some of the more programmer related

Re: Ideas for running a VB4 application on modern hardware?

2016-05-04 Thread Liam Proven
On 3 May 2016 at 19:16, Mike Whalen wrote: > Something I didn’t say explicitly that has caused some confusion is the > following: > > We are an ESX 5.5 environment. None of our servers are physical, save for > the ESX server. Also, when I said “bare-metal” earlier, what I really meant > was that t

Re: Ideas for running a VB4 application on modern hardware?

2016-05-04 Thread Liam Proven
On 3 May 2016 at 16:55, Chuck Guzis wrote: > I'll retrench and restate that in terms of "it depends". If your CPU > doesn't support Hardware Virtualization Mode, you're out of luck: > > http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/5460/our-look-at-xp-mode-in-windows-7/ 16-bit support and hardware virtualisatio

Re: Ideas for running a VB4 application on modern hardware?

2016-05-04 Thread Liam Proven
On 3 May 2016 at 16:20, geneb wrote: > The issue is that with 64 bit versions of windows, the 16 bit thunking layer > isn't present. The simplest way to do this is to grab VMWare Player (free > download) and then create a Win98 VM. Google can point to a number of > downloadable, ready-to-run Win

Re: center tapped power transformer help needed

2016-05-04 Thread John Robertson
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