Re: MINC is going to Pete Turnbull

Op 20 mei 2016 8:12 a.m. schreef "tony duell" : > > > Well, the Subject: line gives the result of by decision. I have decided (after > much thought, it was not easy!) to give the surplus MINC to Pete. I wish I had > more spare MINCs so I could give each of you one.

Re: C standards and committees (was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from)

Oh, foo--in 40 years, "C" will be just a quaint recollection in the minds of the old-timers. Like JOVIAL. --Chuck

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great William Donzelli once stated: > > First off, can you supply a list of architectures that are NOT 2's > > complement integer math that are still made and in active use today? As far > > as I can tell, there was only one signed-magnitude architecture ever > >

Re: Passing of R. Tomlinson

On 05/20/2016 09:54 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote: > 100 yrs ago people gather around sign boards to get the latest and > word would spread from that. News papers used to print several times > a day in that time as well amazing how computers changed things that > fast :) Unfortunately, the larger

Re: Passing of R. Tomlinson

100 yrs ago people gather around sign boards to get the latest and word would spread from that. News papers used to print several times a day in that time as well amazing how computers changed things that fast :) On May 20, 2016 8:12 PM, "Chuck Guzis" wrote: > On 05/20/2016

Re: C standards and committees (was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from)

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > > 3) It's slower. Two reasons for this: > > Even to the extent this is true, in most cases, "so what"? > > Most executables are not performance-critical enough for dynamic-linker > overhead to matter. (For the few that are, or for the

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

> First off, can you supply a list of architectures that are NOT 2's > complement integer math that are still made and in active use today? As far > as I can tell, there was only one signed-magnitude architecture ever > commercially available (and that in the early 60s) and only a few 1's >

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > -spc (Wish the C standard committee had the balls to say "2's > > complement all the way, and a physical bit pattern of all 0s is a > > NULL pointer" ... ) > > As far as I'm concerned, this is different only in degree from `Wish > the C

Re: C standards and committees (was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from)

> I'm generally not a fan of shared libraries as: > 1) Unless you are linking against a library like libc or > libc++, a lot of memory will be wasted because the *entire* > library is loaded up, unlike linking to a static library where > only those functions actually

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

> -spc (Wish the C standard committee had the balls to say "2's > complement all the way, and a physical bit pattern of all 0s is a > NULL pointer" ... ) As far as I'm concerned, this is different only in degree from `Wish the C standard committee had the balls to say "Everything is x86".'.

Re: C standards and committees (was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from)

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > On Fri, 20 May 2016, Sean Conner wrote: > > By the late 80s, C was available on many different systems and was not > > yet standardized. > > There were lots of standards, but folks typically gravitated toward K or > ANSI at the time.

Re: Passing of R. Tomlinson

On 05/20/2016 05:49 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:41 AM, Eric Christopherson > wrote: >> OH! He invented the at sign! >> >> ;) > > More or less funny names for the commercial at-sign: in Norwegian: > krøll-alfa ("curled alpha") in Swedish:

Re: Passing of R. Tomlinson

Not one of Kodi's better nights... - Original Message - From: "Torfinn Ingolfsen" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:49 PM Subject: Re: Passing of R. Tomlinson On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:41 AM,

Re: Best LCDs for retrocomputing - Was: Re: New *square* 1:1 26.5" LCD monitor 1920x1920

I will do some tests of the composite input this weekend with and without TBC and see what I find. I'll have to do a bit of digging for composite devices but I should have a few. On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Ian Finder wrote: > I mostly use the display for its

Re: Best LCDs for retrocomputing - Was: Re: New *square* 1:1 26.5" LCD monitor 1920x1920

I mostly use the display for its fantastic handling and scaling of RGB formats via the VGA connector. I collect mostly old workstation class hardware and I care a lot about image quality. I'm not much of a microcomputer collector, and have used the composite input very, very sparingly. However,

C standards and committees (was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from)

On Fri, 20 May 2016, Sean Conner wrote: > By the late 80s, C was available on many different systems and was not > yet standardized. There were lots of standards, but folks typically gravitated toward K or ANSI at the time. Though I was a pre-teen, I was a coder at the time. Those are pretty

Re: Best LCDs for retrocomputing - Was: Re: New *square* 1:1 26.5" LCD monitor 1920x1920

On 16/05/2016 20:13, "Ian Finder" wrote: > I dunno if it's relevant or not, but my go-to LCD for retro stuff is the > Dell 2007FP- > There was a panel lottery, some are TN, some IPS. Both are solid. > > They are 4:3, 1600x1200 native. > > They have DVI, VGA, Composite and

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 29 April 2016 at 19:49, Mouse wrote: > > > > It's true that C is easy to use unsafely. However, (a) it arose as an > > OS implementation language, for which some level of unsafeness is > > necessary, and

Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.

On Fri, 20 May 2016, David Brownlee wrote: > Could be, though NeXTSTEP 3.x (for x>0) was definitely available on > Intel hardware - I remember helping support a bunch of Pentium 133 > "workstations" at Dreamworks running custom software under NeXTSTEP 3.3. I know they do, too because I've run

Test software on machines customers actually use - was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 2016-05-20 3:03 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: I don't know if that was a specific market ploy based on Moore's Law, an actually quite smart move, . . . or just the generally accepted practice of getting an initial version with the API working any which way, then refactoring to improve

Hamvention

Anyone spot anything list related at hamvention? I'm around trying to find anything cool. Particularly sun and ibm stuff. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.

Damn, Ethan, you have had more SGI's than I have. That's freakin' saying something, and you don't seem to mind the big ones, either. Then again, all you British folks live in large country estates, right? :-) Bought my first Indigo from Reputable Systems. I then started to go to the auctions

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 20 May 2016, at 20:03, Fred Cisin wrote: >> I don't know if that was a specific market ploy based on Moore's Law, > > an actually quite smart move, . . . > >> or just the generally accepted practice of getting an initial version >> with the API working any which way,

Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.

On Thu, 19 May 2016, Jerry Kemp wrote: +1 Been looking for a Crimson for about 8 years now. A couple have come up, but none anywhere close to me. Due to size and weight shipping has been prohibitive. :( Jerry On 05/19/16 06:25 PM, Ian Finder wrote: You parted a Crimson into wall

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

I don't know if that was a specific market ploy based on Moore's Law, an actually quite smart move, . . . or just the generally accepted practice of getting an initial version with the API working any which way, then refactoring to improve performance/correctness in later versions. For

Re: Commodore C2N datasette belts (was Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.)

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Adrian Graham wrote: > On 20/05/2016 17:18, "Ethan Dicks" wrote: >> Do you have the dimensions on that belt handy? All of my Commodore >> tape drives are erratic due to aged belts. > > These are the ones I

Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.

> On 20 May 2016, at 19:04, David Brownlee wrote: > > They also mainly had Micropolis disks ("For all your data loss > needs"). Drink duly spat over exterior of SPARCclassic laughing at this! I remember wondering who the $¥€%#<^* had brought a cement mixer into the workshop c.

NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP history - was Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.

On 2016-05-20 2:04 PM, David Brownlee wrote: On 20 May 2016 at 15:50, Toby Thain wrote: On 2016-05-20 3:39 AM, Adrian Graham wrote: On 19/05/2016 23:10, "Sean Caron" wrote: ... My NeXT slab also hadn't been powered up for 10 years so I checked

Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.

On 20 May 2016 at 15:50, Toby Thain wrote: > On 2016-05-20 3:39 AM, Adrian Graham wrote: >> >> On 19/05/2016 23:10, "Sean Caron" wrote: >> ... >> My NeXT slab also hadn't been powered up for 10 years so I checked that >> one >> and all was ok, only

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 20 May 2016 at 17:24, Liam Proven wrote: > > On 18 May 2016 at 21:40, Fred Cisin wrote: > > But, "Moore's Law" held that it wouldn't be much longer. > > Just one doubling of the speed of the Lisa's hardware would have been enough > > to silence the speed

Re: Commodore C2N datasette belts (was Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.)

Sent from my iPhone > On 20 May 2016, at 18:11, Adrian Graham wrote: > >> On 20/05/2016 17:18, "Ethan Dicks" wrote: >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Adrian Graham >> wrote: >>> Last ones?! EVAR?!1one.

Re: Commodore C2N datasette belts (was Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.)

On 20/05/2016 17:18, "Ethan Dicks" wrote: > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Adrian Graham > wrote: >> Last ones?! EVAR?!1one. Horrors. Don't tell Modern-Radio-Bolton otherwise >> the belts I bought recently for my Commodore C2N/1530s etc

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 18 May 2016 at 21:40, Fred Cisin wrote: > But, "Moore's Law" held that it wouldn't be much longer. > Just one doubling of the speed of the Lisa's hardware would have been enough > to silence the speed complaints. A general point, really. One of Microsoft's strokes of

Commodore C2N datasette belts (was Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.)

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Adrian Graham wrote: > Last ones?! EVAR?!1one. Horrors. Don't tell Modern-Radio-Bolton otherwise > the belts I bought recently for my Commodore C2N/1530s etc might evaporate > in a puff of logic Do you have the dimensions on that

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 29 April 2016 at 19:49, Mouse wrote: >>> True, but again, *you shouldn't have to*. It means programmer >>> effort, brain power, is being wasted on thinking about being safe >>> instead of spent on writing better programs. > > True, but... > >> One side effect of

Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.

On Fri, 20 May 2016, John Willis wrote: > I had an opportunity to get four Origin 3000s and two Cray J-90s in the > 2008-9 timeframe. Could never arrange for transportation though, so they > got away. That wasn't by chance at NOAA or NREL, was it? One of those DoE sub-org folks had a similar

Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.

On Fri, 20 May 2016, et...@757.org wrote: > FWIW, everyone loves the Crimson. I like the Challenge L and Onyx > deskside better. They love them because they are Awesome. :-) > I know that one of my old Onyx's is in New Mexico, not sure where the > others are these days. People love them. I

Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.

> > I've owned 3 Crimsons and 3 or 4 Onyx desksides. I wonder where they are > now? I know one Crimson buyer drove to Virginia Beach from Atlanta GA. > > FWIW, everyone loves the Crimson. I like the Challenge L and Onyx deskside > better. > > I know that one of my old Onyx's is in New Mexico, not

Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.

+1 Been looking for a Crimson for about 8 years now. A couple have come up, but none anywhere close to me. Due to size and weight shipping has been prohibitive. :( Jerry I've owned 3 Crimsons and 3 or 4 Onyx desksides. I wonder where they are now? I know one Crimson buyer drove to Virginia

Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.

On 20 May 2016 at 15:50, Toby Thain wrote: > On 2016-05-20 3:39 AM, Adrian Graham wrote: > >> On 19/05/2016 23:10, "Sean Caron" wrote: >> ... >> My NeXT slab also hadn't been powered up for 10 years so I checked that >> one >> and all was ok, only

Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.

On 2016-05-20 3:39 AM, Adrian Graham wrote: On 19/05/2016 23:10, "Sean Caron" wrote: ... My NeXT slab also hadn't been powered up for 10 years so I checked that one and all was ok, only it wasn't my slab! I picked up a load of NeXT gear from an ex-employee many years ago

MSI 6800

Hi there, I have acquired an MSI 6800 (SS50) computer and am trying to figure out how to get it going.  I am reaching out everywhere hoping to find someone with knowledge of these as I have searched around extensively and cannot find a manual. With a null modem cable connected to a PC I

Re: RSTS/E

> On May 20, 2016, at 2:47 AM, Rod Smallwood > wrote: > > ... > 1. The system is going into an exhibit. There will be an assortment of DEC > terminals attached > > 2. The guy who is going to look after it has years of RSTS user knowledge. > > 3, There are

Re: RSTS/E

>Rod Smallwood wrote:> On 20/05/2016 05:19, Jerome H. Fine wrote: >Rod Smallwood wrote: I'm not overly worried about it being on TK50 other than knowing that was one of the distribution mediums. So a quick rephrase of the question. I have an 11/83 system with an RX50 and an RD54. How do I

Re: Beam-penetration color CRT, Tektronix DAS 912x (was Re: Nice LAB11 brochure.)

Actually the CRT was built for Tek. but since is was a custom it can be though of as a Tek CRT. I'm not sure about the monitory assembly, sometime this year I maybe able to get the full specs on the CRT if anyone is interested. -pete Ex Tekkie On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:18 PM, Eric Smith

MINC is going to Pete Turnbull

Well, the Subject: line gives the result of by decision. I have decided (after much thought, it was not easy!) to give the surplus MINC to Pete. I wish I had more spare MINCs so I could give each of you one. Perhaps the only consolation is that there may well be other machines up for grabs as I

Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.

On 19/05/2016 23:10, "Sean Caron" wrote: > On Thu, 19 May 2016, Chris Hanson wrote: > >> I haven't booted my Lisa 2/10 in a very long time, not since before a >> cross-country move. >> >> I'm a little worried about it. Last time I looked (a couple years ago) it >> didn't

Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.

On 19/05/2016 23:21, "Austin Pass" wrote: > I'm surprised I have relatively little of it now (just the A3000 and a very > clean Model B). I'd like a RISC PC but supply is thin on the ground here > nowadays, it appears the boat has sailed. They're still around - I got 2

Re: RSTS/E

On 20/05/2016 05:19, Jerome H. Fine wrote: >Rod Smallwood wrote: I'm not overly worried about it being on TK50 other than knowing that was one of the distribution mediums. So a quick rephrase of the question. I have an 11/83 system with an RX50 and an RD54. How do I install RSTS on it?

Re: Pascal/8002 or other compilers for Tek 8002 dev. system?

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 11:47 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > the Tektronix DAS 9100 logic analyzer is Z80 based, and > contains many ROMs, mostly 8KB MK36000 series masked ROMs and MCM68764 > EPROMs, but only one ROM appears to contain much actual Z80 code. That > 8K ROM is labeled

Re: Beam-penetration color CRT, Tektronix DAS 912x (was Re: Nice LAB11 brochure.)

On May 8, 2016 9:33 PM, "Eric Smith" wrote about the CRT of the color monitor of some models of the Tektronix DAS 9100 logic analyzer: > It is custom, and it is tri-color (red, green, yellow), but it's a > beam penetration CRT that is not a modified version of any normal >