RE: Connectors: Both contact surfaces must also be the same material?

2016-07-11 Thread Paul Birkel
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jon Elson Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 9:46 PM To: gene...@classiccmp.org; discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Connectors: Both contact surfaces must also be the same material?

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog (was: How do they make Verilog code for unknown ICs?)

2016-07-11 Thread Camiel Vanderhoeven
And I'm very close to having a 360/65 in VHDL. Op 11 jul. 2016 2:44 a.m. schreef "Curious Marc" : > And Carl Claunch has an IBM 1130 in VHDL. > Marc > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jul 10, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Lawrence Wilkinson > wrote: > > > > That'll be me, I guess, It's in VHDL. URL in sig. > >

RE: IBM 360/30 in verilog (was: How do they make Verilog code for unknown ICs?)

2016-07-11 Thread Paul Birkel
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Camiel Vanderhoeven Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 4:31 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog (was: How do they make Verilog code for unknown ICs?) And I'

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog (was: How do they make Verilog code for unknown ICs?)

2016-07-11 Thread Curious Marc
No kidding! That's a massive effort. How close is that to a 360/50? I have a front panel that needs a brain, could sure use that! Marc Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Camiel Vanderhoeven wrote: > > And I'm very close to having a 360/65 in VHDL. > Op 11 jul. 2016 2:44 a.m. sc

Successor models that never were

2016-07-11 Thread Liam Proven
Unfinished or never launched follow-ons to classic 1980s home micros... http://uk.pcmag.com/desktop-reviews/82794/gallery/7-classic-home-pc-follow-ups-that-were-never-released -- Sent from my phone - please pardon brevity & typos.

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog (was: How do they make Verilog code for unknown ICs?)

2016-07-11 Thread Al Kossow
On 7/11/16 1:31 AM, Camiel Vanderhoeven wrote: > And I'm very close to having a 360/65 in VHDL. > Op 11 jul. 2016 2:44 a.m. schreef "Curious Marc" : > Was the microcode derived from the engineering drawings? >From memory, the 65 is the bigger brother to the 50 with a wider memory bus. It was a

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog

2016-07-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/11/2016 06:40 AM, Curious Marc wrote: No kidding! That's a massive effort. How close is that to a 360/50? I have a front panel that needs a brain, could sure use that! 360/50 is a 32-bit machine, the real thing has a core memory "local store" and (3, IIRC) built-in channels. it does not

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog

2016-07-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/11/2016 10:44 AM, Al Kossow wrote: On 7/11/16 1:31 AM, Camiel Vanderhoeven wrote: And I'm very close to having a 360/65 in VHDL. Op 11 jul. 2016 2:44 a.m. schreef "Curious Marc" : Was the microcode derived from the engineering drawings? The microcode was in the ALD drawings, and might

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog (was: How do they make Verilog code for unknown ICs?)

2016-07-11 Thread Camiel Vanderhoeven
> > And I'm very close to having a 360/65 in VHDL. > > Was the microcode derived from the engineering drawings? Yes, from hand-corrected OCR scans. To be precise, the ALDs and microcode I'm using are not for a plain 2065, but for a 7201-02, the variant that was used in the 9020 complex. I'm makin

RE: IBM 360/30 in verilog (was: How do they make Verilog code for unknown ICs?)

2016-07-11 Thread Camiel Vanderhoeven
> And I'm very close to having a 360/65 in VHDL. > - > > Sweet :->. What FPGA platform are you using? Lawrence used a Spartan 3. Don't know how close to "full" he pushed it. I'm using the XUPV5 PCIE board (Xilinx Virtex-5 XC5VLX110T); currently about 60% occupied, but the design needs lots

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog

2016-07-11 Thread Al Kossow
On 7/11/16 9:14 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > The microcode was in the ALD drawings, and might even be in bitsavers > archive, if they have the right manual. > 360 CPU ALDs are extremely difficult to find. If the 65 set could be scanned, I'd be happy to upload them to bitsavers.

Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 10

2016-07-11 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Fred wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote: > > [talk about word processors, specifically WordPerfect] > > I would LOVE to find a (hobbyist) copy of WordPerfect for OpenVMS some > day. Back in the day I could fly through those key combos

Re: DEC PDT-150 software

2016-07-11 Thread Steven M Jones
On 07/10/2016 14:13, Fred Jan Kraan wrote: > > On 2016-07-10 07:00 PM, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote: >> >> I have a restored and (I think) functional PDT-150 with dual 8? floppy >> drives but no software. [...] >> >> Any assistance would be appreciated. Happy to pay for OS/Application >>

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog

2016-07-11 Thread Camiel Vanderhoeven
Hi Al, I have a 7201-2 set that I scanned. They're ~64 MB TIF files per sheet, about ~150GB in total. I can upload those where ever you want. Op 11 jul. 2016 6:58 p.m. schreef "Al Kossow" : On 7/11/16 9:14 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > The microcode was in the ALD drawings, and might even be in bitsa

Re: DEC PDT-150 software

2016-07-11 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Brendan McNeill wrote: > Greetings > > I have a restored and (I think) functional PDT-150 with dual 8” floppy drives > but no software. I do have some blank 8” diskettes but no real means of > transferring an operating system or (say) a word processing program on

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog

2016-07-11 Thread Al Kossow
On 7/11/16 10:46 AM, Camiel Vanderhoeven wrote: > Hi Al, > > I have a 7201-2 set that I scanned. They're ~64 MB TIF files per sheet, > about ~150GB in total. I'll have to wait until Jay increases the amount of disk space available to bitsavers.

RE: IBM 360/30 in verilog

2016-07-11 Thread Jay West
That should be "very soon", as that was part of the reason for the server maintenance last week to lay some groundwork. Stay tuned

Re: DEC PDT-150 software

2016-07-11 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Fred Jan Kraan wrote: > On 2016-07-10 07:00 PM, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote: >> Greetings >> >> I have a restored and (I think) functional PDT-150 with dual 8" floppy >> drives... > > The PDT-150 was also sold with a VT-105 as the MiniMINC and can run some

Re: DEC PDT-150 software

2016-07-11 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Steven M Jones wrote: > Just wanted to point out that the PDT will happily run RT-11 v4, and I'm > not sure what the last version would be. I see a reference to using > VTCOM with the PDT-11/150 in the RT-11 v5.1 release notes, so... As long as you have a suitable

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog

2016-07-11 Thread steven
Al said: > On 7/11/16 9:14 AM, Jon Elson wrote: >> The microcode was in the ALD drawings, and might even be in bitsavers >> archive, if they have the right manual. > > 360 CPU ALDs are extremely difficult to find. > If the 65 set could be scanned, I'd be happy to upload them to bitsavers. Indeed

Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 10

2016-07-11 Thread Liam Proven
On 11 July 2016 at 03:41, Fred wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote: > > [talk about word processors, specifically WordPerfect] > > I would LOVE to find a (hobbyist) copy of WordPerfect for OpenVMS some > day. Back in the day I could fly through those key combos on WP 5

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog

2016-07-11 Thread Curious Marc
I haven't looked yet, but are the 360/50 ALDs available anywhere? Marc > On Jul 12, 2016, at 2:00 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > >> On 7/11/16 9:14 AM, Jon Elson wrote: >> >> The microcode was in the ALD drawings, and might even be in bitsavers >> archive, if they have the right manual. > > 36

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog

2016-07-11 Thread Curious Marc
Thanks for the detailed answer. I see the front panels look remarkably similar though. Short of redoing a 360/50 on an FPGA (I'd need to retire to have enough time for this one!), could I use the /50 panel with the /65 emulator? Marc > On Jul 12, 2016, at 1:11 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > >> On 07/1

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog

2016-07-11 Thread Mike Ross
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:36 AM, wrote: > Al said: >> On 7/11/16 9:14 AM, Jon Elson wrote: >>> The microcode was in the ALD drawings, and might even be in bitsavers >>> archive, if they have the right manual. >> >> 360 CPU ALDs are extremely difficult to find. >> If the 65 set could be scanned,

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog

2016-07-11 Thread steven
Mike said: > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:36 AM, wrote: >> Al said: >>> On 7/11/16 9:14 AM, Jon Elson wrote: The microcode was in the ALD drawings, and might even be in bitsavers archive, if they have the right manual. >>> >>> 360 CPU ALDs are extremely difficult to find. >>> If the 65 s

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog

2016-07-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/11/2016 05:36 PM, ste...@malikoff.com wrote: Indeed they must be. I've been looking for /40 ALDs for some time but haven't struck any. I wonder if they're scarce becase the 40 was a AFAIK a british-developed 360. My dad was posted to Hursley to learn the /40 in 64-65. LOTS of model /40s

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog

2016-07-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/11/2016 07:35 PM, Curious Marc wrote: Thanks for the detailed answer. I see the front panels look remarkably similar though. Short of redoing a 360/50 on an FPGA (I'd need to retire to have enough time for this one!), could I use the /50 panel with the /65 emulator? Not really! The 360/

Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog

2016-07-11 Thread steven
Jon said: > LOTS of model /40s were sold in the US. EVERY one had its > own set of ALDs, with the serial number of the CPU on them. > They not only recorded the general info for the model, but > they had specific changes to reflect the exact configuration > of THAT machine. I didn't know that eve

Re: Wanted: VT5x roll-around stand

2016-07-11 Thread B M
I have 3 stands, but I only need 1 for my VT-50. I am taking offers on the other 2 :-) I believe these stands to be authentic DEC VT5X stands. Is there any way of telling for sure? There are no markings on the stands. Here is a picture of the stand: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzqkBl9PET

Re: Wanted: VT5x roll-around stand

2016-07-11 Thread B M
Sorry. I forgot to mention that I live near Calgary Alberta Canada. --barrym On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 7:31 PM, B M wrote: > I have 3 stands, but I only need 1 for my VT-50. I am taking offers on > the other 2 :-) > > I believe these stands to be authentic DEC VT5X stands. Is there any way > o

Re: Wanted: VT5x roll-around stand

2016-07-11 Thread Eric Smith
I've been trying to find vendors who sell the parts to build stands like that. Ideally I'd like the column height to be adjustable, but I obviously can't come up with the right words for a search because I can't find them even in fixed height. I'd like to build one specifically for a DEC GT40 term

Re: Wanted: VT5x roll-around stand

2016-07-11 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:31 PM, B M wrote: > I have 3 stands, but I only need 1 for my VT-50. I am taking offers on the > other 2 :-) I would love one, but I am afraid of the shipping costs to Ohio. I've had small packages shipped from Toronto and it seems to run over $10/lb. > I believe thes