> On Sep 13, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
>
> On 9/10/2016 10:09 PM, Fritz Mueller wrote:
>
>> Does anybody have a complete set of FP11-B drawings?
>
> I have scanned in my (complete) copy. It is available in
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2v4WRwISEQRWWFFdVpCZWFTZEU
Awesome
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Vincent Slyngstad wrote:
> From: Vincent Slyngstad: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 6:00 PM
>
>> Poof! There goes the prior value of link! And the "0" in the comment is
>> correct.
>>
>
> Never mind. I finally see what Klemens and others were trying to tell me
> ab
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Doug Ingraham
wrote:
>
> Thanks for an interesting bit of optimization!
Need some more optimization fun? :) Vince and I were working on some code
to add two signed 12 bit numbers and detect overflow, returning MAX_INT or
MIN_INT in AC in the case of overflow, or
From: Vincent Slyngstad: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 6:00 PM
Poof! There goes the prior value of link! And the "0" in the comment
is correct.
Never mind. I finally see what Klemens and others were trying to tell me
about the need for CLL.
Vince
On 09/13/2016 06:01 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
> I could probably kludge the oval eject button and whatever else
> needed to make another drive fit, but I wanted to play around with
> modding other drives for 8" emulation anyway while I was at it.
>
> I think I may have enough to make them work, but t
On 09/13/2016 04:45 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
> Did CP/M-86 have networking? I remember it being an expensive, fiddly
> add-on for CDOS years later, and not very flexible then. I don't think
> the UCSD p-System networked at all, and DOS didn't for a long time.
> Only after the advent of WfWg did MS o
- Original Message -
From: "Chuck Guzis"
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: FDN303 datasheet
> On 09/13/2016 04:10 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
>
>> As a matter of fact I am playing with some NEC FD1231T's, trying to
- Original Message -
From: "Al Kossow"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: Terminal ROMs/kbds (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS
7.5 still in production use...))
>
>
> On 9/13/16 4:30 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
>
>> How about Falco? I've got four or fiv
From: Doug Ingraham: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 1:38 PM
This struck me as a pretty clever bit of code. My first cut used 23 words
including 2 masks and 3 temporaries.
Thanks!!
This is the working version of Vince's original. It uses 18 words
including 1 mask and 2 temporaries.
I have done
On 09/13/2016 04:10 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
> As a matter of fact I am playing with some NEC FD1231T's, trying to
> modify them for 8" emulation (1.2MB mode); I had read some of the
> Amiga mod articles and they were a little help although they don't
> address the speed issue and the DC on pin 2 mod
On 13 September 2016 at 20:58, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 09/13/2016 11:12 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
>
>> OK, but are we talking MacOS or Mac OS X here?
>
> As I said, Mac OS 9.2. I'm not interested for my G3 to talk to other
> Macs--the only other one here is a Performa 6100 running OS 7.mumble.
Ah,
On 14 September 2016 at 00:48, Stefan Skoglund (lokal användare)
wrote:
> I dislike very much the removal of perl from the default install.
I didn't know about that. It does surprise me.
Stupid question: it's not called ``perl5'' or something now, as Perl 6
is *finally* out?
> The rather temper
On 9/13/16 4:30 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
> How about Falco? I've got four or five different models/versions here; do you
> want me to dump the ROMs? Doesn't seem to be much interest in Falcos but I
> guess I really should scan the docs one day anyway..
>
> They also used 4-conductor (straight-th
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Klemens Krause <
kra...@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote:
>
> First PAL8 complained about "IFNZER". PAL8 wants "IFNZRO"!
> After changing this, assambly was successfull, and I could start the
> program on the straight-8. All seemed to be ok, with the exception,
>
- Original Message -
From: "Al Kossow"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production
use...)
>
>
> On 9/13/16 9:25 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
>
>> If you are not opposed to making a custom PCB to stuff with C
On 09/13/2016 03:13 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
> Like you said, a lot of sunk costs for very few sales.
Around 1984, we leased a VAX 11/750 running BSD with the understanding
from the lessor that the desired configuration was to support HASP via a
Bell 209 modem and leased-line.
We got the leased line
- Original Message -
From: "Al Kossow"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: FDN303 datasheet
>
>
> On 9/13/16 1:29 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
>> By any chance does anyone have (or know where I could find) a datasheet for
>> an FDN303 LSI chip used in a number of fl
tis 2016-09-13 klockan 10:43 -0700 skrev Chuck Guzis:
>
> Heh, the first message that I got after I changed the PRAM battery and
> booted MacOS was that the system time didn't match the NTP time within
> reasonable limits. But there the oddity hit--if I wanted to get rid of
> the message, I had
tis 2016-09-13 klockan 19:31 +0200 skrev Liam Proven:
> On 13 September 2016 at 18:53, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
> > See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc.
>
> My lack of fannish enthusiasm for the RH family of Linuxes got me
> fired from Red Hat.
>
> Nonetheless, their willingness
On 9/13/2016 1:58 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Hi, All,
Good seeing many of you at VCF-midwest. One of my scores was an
Atari-badged Novation CAT modem. Digging around for any docs, what
I'm mostly finding is lots of info about Novations Apple II products,
and scant mention with thumbnail pictures o
On 9/13/16 1:29 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
> By any chance does anyone have (or know where I could find) a datasheet for
> an FDN303 LSI chip used in a number of floppy drives?
>
> Lots of tantalizing links in Google but the ones I followed all lead
> nowhere...
>
you're going to have a really t
On 9/13/16 3:08 PM, jim stephens wrote:
> There is also the LU stuff that went on on SNA, which is a big steaming pile,
> and very few ever got that to work other
> than IBM.
I worked with the guy who did the Nubus token ring card. He originally used the
TI chip set, then had to switch to IB
On 9/13/2016 2:55 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 09/13/2016 01:05 PM, Chris Hanson wrote:
Apple had a package available with SNA support in the late 1980s,
along with the NuBus token ring card. I think there was also a DECnet
package. And MacTCP was available early on, too.
Does bisync and HASP
There were nubus IRMA cards for 3270 fans
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290443334905
and the Apple Cluster Controller
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/apple/brochures/Apple_Cluster_Controller_and_Appleline_Sales_Reference_Guide_Jul84.pdf
I'm sure these were checkbox items.
There was a push in the late 80's bu
On 09/13/2016 01:05 PM, Chris Hanson wrote:
> Apple had a package available with SNA support in the late 1980s,
> along with the NuBus token ring card. I think there was also a DECnet
> package. And MacTCP was available early on, too.
Does bisync and HASP, does it?
--Chuck
Hi, All,
Good seeing many of you at VCF-midwest. One of my scores was an
Atari-badged Novation CAT modem. Digging around for any docs, what
I'm mostly finding is lots of info about Novations Apple II products,
and scant mention with thumbnail pictures of the original CAT acoustic
coupler, that a
Vince,
This struck me as a pretty clever bit of code. My first cut used 23 words
including 2 masks and 3 temporaries.
This is the working version of Vince's original. It uses 18 words
including 1 mask and 2 temporaries.
I have done some edge testing and it appears to work.
30 /
By any chance does anyone have (or know where I could find) a datasheet for an
FDN303 LSI chip used in a number of floppy drives?
Lots of tantalizing links in Google but the ones I followed all lead nowhere...
TIA,
m
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Klemens Krause
wrote:
> Next question: my hp35 has 36 keys. The 36th key is not accessible
> for normal users. It's hidden below the "ENTER" key. What does this
> key do? If I remember right, it's a kind of debug-key. I believe it
> shifts the whole register includ
On Sep 13, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> On 09/13/2016 12:15 PM, Brendan Shanks wrote:
>
>> There was SNAps:
>
> And it only took them until 1993!
Apple had a package available with SNA support in the late 1980s, along with
the NuBus token ring card. I think there was also a DECne
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016, Kyle Owen wrote:
Glad some folks got a kick out of it enough to try it out! Feel free to
suggest improvements where you see fit. I was thinking about adding support
to read keystrokes from a file for macro programmability...but that might
be too absurd even for this project.
Boy are you going to get a shock when you start using containers for
deployment.
--Toby
(who doesn't understand why it's such a big deal to install 1 package
for telnet client)
I get that none of thius applies to modern devops, but sometimes crap
goes wrong, or you're working on a host (
On 09/13/2016 12:15 PM, Brendan Shanks wrote:
> There was SNAps:
>
> http://imap.parismoveis.com/index.pl/S0/http/www.thefreelibrary.com/APPLE+SHIPS+SNA.PS+5250+TERMINAL+EMULATOR+FOR+IBM+AS=252F400+SYSTEMS-a013177363
>
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=aRQEMBAJ&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=apple
On 9/13/2016 10:00 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 9/13/16 9:53 AM, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc.
csh
though in the modern world I can see why clear text protocols
aren't shipped out of the box
They can be added, and it was only after quite a long ti
On 2016-09-13 1:44 PM, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
On 9/13/16 12:31 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
On 13 September 2016 at 18:53, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc.
My lack of fannish enthusiasm for the RH family of Linuxes got me
fired from Red Hat.
Nonetheles
I am well aware.. However not everything has netcat. But many things
have a simple telnet client.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Sean Conner wrote:
> It was thus said that the Great Christian Liendo once stated:
>> Agree. It's quite easy to telnet to a port to see if you get a response.
>> Do i
On 2016-09-13 12:25 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
On Sep 13, 2016, at 09:16, Al Kossow wrote:
Unfortunately, the guys building new Cherry keyboards fabricate new keytops for
Windows extended keyboards, and not ASCII (ie. VT-100 style) or ANSI (VT-220
style)
so unless you want to spring the cash t
> On Sep 13, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> But isn't that typical of the Apple Way? Right from the start, there
> were tools and hardware for the 5150 to talk to the rest of the world.
> Apple just kept to their own little community--or did I miss the
> announcement of SDLC/SNA supp
On 9/10/2016 10:09 PM, Fritz Mueller wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I’m working on debugging an FP11-B floating point option in a PDP-11/45.
> I’ve just discovered that in the engineering drawings for this on bitsavers,
> sheets 1 and 2 of the FRL board prints are missing :-(
>
> Does anybody have a co
It was thus said that the Great Christian Liendo once stated:
> Agree. It's quite easy to telnet to a port to see if you get a response.
> Do it a lot.
The kids are using nc (netcat) these days. It supports both TCP and UDP.
-spc
On 09/13/2016 11:12 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> OK, but are we talking MacOS or Mac OS X here?
As I said, Mac OS 9.2. I'm not interested for my G3 to talk to other
Macs--the only other one here is a Performa 6100 running OS 7.mumble.
> That's why MachTen and so on existed -- to make classic Mac bo
On 09/13/2016 11:26 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
> Actually, most of my systems on *this* isolated intranet run a
> telnetd. It's inward facing, of course, but there's no reason for
> encryption on this network when I'm the sole user.
Exactly so--I'm interested in communication between local systems
Agree. It's quite easy to telnet to a port to see if you get a response.
Do it a lot.
> Are ifconfig, netstat, traceroute, et al really insecure?(Maybe a case
> could be made for traceroute) These types of changes to the core of
> userland are epic dumb IMHO. Telnet is very useful for debu
> > But what I originally stated still holds. Perhaps you don't have
> > plain-text ftp and telnet, but you have the ssh equivalents,
>
> There is no ssh equivalent to telnet (the command). It sounds to me as
> though you are thinking of telnet, the command, as nothing but an
> interface to tel
> But what I originally stated still holds. Perhaps you don't have
> plain-text ftp and telnet, but you have the ssh equivalents,
There is no ssh equivalent to telnet (the command). It sounds to me as
though you are thinking of telnet, the command, as nothing but an
interface to telnet, the rem
> >> See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc.
> > csh
>
> Possibly. I find sh more usable than stock csh, though shells are
> almost as personal an issue as keyboards or editors.
I end up building tcsh on just about any new system I bring up. I've
just expected it won't be there.
On 13 September 2016 at 19:44, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
> Are ifconfig, netstat, traceroute, et al really insecure?
Well, OK, no, not that I know of!
> (Maybe a case
> could be made for traceroute)
Wouldn't know.
But AIUI the new ``ip'' command subsumes a lot of this stuff. I'm not
very au fait
>> See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc.
> csh
Possibly. I find sh more usable than stock csh, though shells are
almost as personal an issue as keyboards or editors.
> though in the modern world I can see why clear text protocols aren't
> shipped out of the box
If you think of
On 13 September 2016 at 19:50, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> But what I originally stated still holds. Perhaps you don't have
> plain-text ftp and telnet, but you have the ssh equivalents, so at least
> you have *something* to get the job done. Mac OS gave me nothing for
> doing standard stuff over TCP/
On 09/13/2016 10:31 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> Nonetheless, their willingness to remove old, insecure legacy stuff
> from the OS so that users are encouraged to get with the programme
> and move on to modern modern equivalents -- ssh, the ip command,
> whatever -- is something I strongly approve of
On 9/13/16 12:31 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
On 13 September 2016 at 18:53, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc.
My lack of fannish enthusiasm for the RH family of Linuxes got me
fired from Red Hat.
Nonetheless, their willingness to remove old, insecure l
On 09/13/2016 09:58 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
> yea.. another project. Getting an Apple 20 pin drive working with a
> flux transition reader.
Not that much of an issue--after all, the old CopyIIPC deluxe option
board came with a bunch of 400K/800K Mac utilities and uses standard
drives. I might have
On 13 September 2016 at 18:16, Al Kossow wrote:
> This posting must have been trapped in a time warp since 1996 :-)
Well, it's true, I was amassing collection since then. I have, I
think, enough Apple, IBM and DEC keyboards to last my lifetime.
I tried to adapt to the Sun layout -- as evangelis
On 13 September 2016 at 18:58, Al Kossow wrote:
> I would be very surprised if much effort was put into making floppies work
> under OS X
As far as I know, legacy floppies on a SWIM or whatever are not and
never have been supported at all.
However, USB floppies work fine -- but only for standar
On 13 September 2016 at 18:51, Mouse wrote:
> That was my reaction when I found Raspbian (the Debian variant a Pi 3
> that $WORK bought came with) lacked telnet.
Because it's insecure. OpenSSH is the recommendation these days.
But if you need it, it's trivial to add it back.
--
Liam Proven •
On 13 September 2016 at 18:53, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
> See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc.
My lack of fannish enthusiasm for the RH family of Linuxes got me
fired from Red Hat.
Nonetheless, their willingness to remove old, insecure legacy stuff
from the OS so that users are e
> > After struggling with trying to find a good ftp facility for OS 9
>
> As someone else mentioned, Fetch works pretty well.
>
> I had just been using Appleshare until I switched to an Intel based
> server which no longer supports the old protocol.
I keep a Sawtooth G4 running 10.4 for file ser
On 9/13/16 9:53 AM, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
> See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc.
csh
though in the modern world I can see why clear text protocols
aren't shipped out of the box
On 9/13/16 9:44 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> I'd mostly run the G3 under OS X 10.4 using XPostFacto, but I don't
> believe that the combo supports the old 400K and 800K floppy formats. I
> could have booted the G3 into OS X after I'd done the reading under OS
> 9.2, but that seemed to be the long w
On 9/13/16 11:51 AM, Mouse wrote:
What initially stunned me is how any vendor who supplied TCP/IP
networking could fail to include ftp and telnet as a standard part of
the package, [...]
That was my reaction when I found Raspbian (the Debian variant a Pi 3
that $WORK bought came with) lacked t
It may have gotten lost in the pre-move chaos. I just pinged him about
it again.
On 9/13/16 9:36 AM, Glen Slick wrote:
> On Sep 13, 2016 9:16 AM, "Al Kossow" wrote:
>>
>> I've been working on archiving documentation and firmware from
> microprocessor
>> based CRT terminals for a couple of months
> What initially stunned me is how any vendor who supplied TCP/IP
> networking could fail to include ftp and telnet as a standard part of
> the package, [...]
That was my reaction when I found Raspbian (the Debian variant a Pi 3
that $WORK bought came with) lacked telnet.
/~\ The ASCII
On 09/13/2016 09:19 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>> After struggling with trying to find a good ftp facility for OS 9
>
> As someone else mentioned, Fetch works pretty well.
After I'd done the job, I found out that MacSSH is available at SourceForge.
What initially stunned me is how any vendor who supp
On Sep 13, 2016 9:16 AM, "Al Kossow" wrote:
>
> I've been working on archiving documentation and firmware from
microprocessor
> based CRT terminals for a couple of months, since I realized they are
disappearing
> the same way CRT monitors have.
Did you ever get any Motorola EXORterm docs that wer
On 9/13/16 9:25 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
> If you are not opposed to making a custom PCB to stuff with Cherry MX
> keyswitches, then you have a lot of freedom.
True enough. I have even bought some switches and non so great Cherry keyboards
to harvest keytops.
About 10 WY-30 keyboards in so-s
> On Sep 13, 2016, at 09:16, Al Kossow wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, the guys building new Cherry keyboards fabricate new keytops
> for
> Windows extended keyboards, and not ASCII (ie. VT-100 style) or ANSI (VT-220
> style)
> so unless you want to spring the cash to have 500 sets of keytops made,
On 9/12/16 11:35 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> After struggling with trying to find a good ftp facility for OS 9
As someone else mentioned, Fetch works pretty well.
I had just been using Appleshare until I switched to an Intel based
server which no longer supports the old protocol. There was a comp
On 9/13/16 6:19 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> One of the great things about vintage mechanical keyboards is that
> they can be acquired very cheaply indeed. ;-)
>
This posting must have been trapped in a time warp since 1996 :-)
I've been working on archiving documentation and firmware from micropr
On 13 September 2016 at 02:32, Richard Loken wrote:
> My Mac Mini has been treated to new modern keyboard purchased at rediculous
> expense upon the recommendation of my long time friend G.L.Nerenberg II.
> And it says underneath "WASD Model: V2 Type: Cherry MX Green". It is
> gloriously noisy!
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