Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?)

2017-04-10 Thread Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
Chuck Guzis wrote: > That is a bit of a surprise--in my experience it takes very little > code to support Forth on any processor--that someone would build a > dedicated chip for it is unusual. There are actually quite a few Forth processors. Charles Moore himself designed half a dozen or so. The

Atlanta and lots more VCF news

2017-04-10 Thread Evan Koblentz via cctalk
VCF East is done, VCF Southeast is next (April 29-30), VCF West is August 5-6, and this summer we're announcing a NEW edition of the show in an awesome place. :) Southeast will feature former Apple Macintosh exec Andy Hertzfeld and former Tandy exec Don French. I will be there too, but don't l

Re: VCF East pictures

2017-04-10 Thread Evan Koblentz via cctalk
VCF East XII was held March 31-April 2. Around 500 people were there. Adam Michlin's pictures: http://ceos.io/vcf/east/ Dave Riley's pictures: http://oscar.the-rileys.net/VCF%20East%20XII%20Photos/ Dan Roganti's pictures: http://www.rogtronics.net/blog/?page_id=730 Mike Loewen's pictures: http

Re: IBM AS400 questions

2017-04-10 Thread devin davison via cctalk
Made some progress with the AS400. Looks like one of the hard drives has failed, it stated that if another disk fails then there could be a loss of data. Plan was to back up the system to a couple of 8GB QIC tapes, however looking at my tapes they turned out to be only QIC525 MB tapes, and are not

Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?)

2017-04-10 Thread Sean Conner via cctalk
It was thus said that the Great Sean Conner via cctalk once stated: > It was thus said that the Great Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk once stated: > > > You can declare > > new variables inside { ... } and they will shadow variables with the > > same name declared outside of these brackets but this

Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?)

2017-04-10 Thread Sean Conner via cctalk
It was thus said that the Great Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk once stated: > Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote on Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 15:21:08 -0700 > > Thanks for the list--I was aware of the various Java engines and the WD > > P-code engine, but had never run into the SCAMP. > > I just found an a

Re: The iAPX 432 and block languages (was Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?))

2017-04-10 Thread Sean Conner via cctalk
It was thus said that the Great Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk once stated: > Sean Conner via cctalk wrote on Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:39:57 -0400 > > What about C made it difficult for the 432 to run? > > > > -spc (Curious here, as some aspects of the 432 made their way to the 286 > > and we

Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?)

2017-04-10 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
On 4/10/2017 5:45 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I suspect that at some point, Intel had its big-system hopes pinned on the iA432 chipset. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_iAPX_432 A friend made his career at Biin, mostly coding mind numbing code from specs, and a round of golf every m

Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?)

2017-04-10 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/10/2017 04:47 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk wrote: > The 64KB segments in the 8086 were not a problem for Pascal (or > Smalltalk, as shown by the Xerox PARC Notetaker computer) because each > heap object and each proceedure can live in a different segment to take > advantage of the whol

Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?)

2017-04-10 Thread dwight via cctalk
I'd also like to have the board. I have a board with a NC4000 but never managed to get a RTX-2000. One might say the NC4000 was the prototype for the RTX-2000. The RTX-2000 could run applications several times faster than the same applications on a X86 machine of the time. They were often used

Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?)

2017-04-10 Thread Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
> > Thanks for the list--I was aware of the various Java engines and the WD > > P-code engine, but had never run into the SCAMP. > > I just found an academic Pascal microprocessor from 1980 called EM-1 and > described all the way to the chip layout level: > > http://authors.library.caltech.edu/27

Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?)

2017-04-10 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk
Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote on Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 15:21:08 -0700 > Thanks for the list--I was aware of the various Java engines and the WD > P-code engine, but had never run into the SCAMP. I just found an academic Pascal microprocessor from 1980 called EM-1 and described all the way to the c

Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?)

2017-04-10 Thread Nigel Williams via cctalk
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk wrote: > About the original question, since the Burroughs architecture was > eventually implemented as a microprocessor you can say that this was > designed to run Algol: > > http://www.cpushack.com/2015/04/18/the-forgotten-ones-unisy

Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?)

2017-04-10 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/10/2017 02:49 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk wrote: Thanks for the list--I was aware of the various Java engines and the WD P-code engine, but had never run into the SCAMP. > Some architectures that are considered general purpose have included > features to support specific languages.

The iAPX 432 and block languages (was Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?))

2017-04-10 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk
Sean Conner via cctalk wrote on Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:39:57 -0400 > What about C made it difficult for the 432 to run? > > -spc (Curious here, as some aspects of the 432 made their way to the 286 > and we all know what happened to that architecture ... ) C expects memory addresses to lo

Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?)

2017-04-10 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk
Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote on Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:59:40 + > On 4/10/2017 4:42 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > Were there any microprocessor chips that attempted to mimic the > > Burroughs B5000 series and natively execute Algol of any flavor? > > No, but Western Digital implemented

The iAPX 432 and block languages (was Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?))

2017-04-10 Thread Sean Conner via cctalk
It was thus said that the Great Eric Smith via cctalk once stated: > > The Intel iAPX 432 was also designed to explicitly support block-structured > languages. The main language Intel pushed was Ada, but there was no > technical reason it couldn't have supported Algol, Pascal, Modula, Euclid, > Me

Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?)

2017-04-10 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Apr 10, 2017 2:43 PM, "Chuck Guzis via cctalk" wrote: > Were there any microprocessor chips that attempted to mimic the > Burroughs B5000 series and natively execute Algol of any flavor? Yes, that's what the HP 3000 did (before PA RISC), and they did make microprocessor implementations of it.

Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?)

2017-04-10 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/10/2017 4:42 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 04/10/2017 11:41 AM, Dave via cctalk wrote: >> I have a Harris RTX-2000 based system control board for a long >> defunct system. The board worked when removed more than 20 years ago >> in the mid 90's. The RTX-2000 is a stack-based proces

Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?)

2017-04-10 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/10/2017 11:41 AM, Dave via cctalk wrote: > I have a Harris RTX-2000 based system control board for a long > defunct system. The board worked when removed more than 20 years ago > in the mid 90's. The RTX-2000 is a stack-based processor designed > for running FORTH. I think it was designed

Re: VCF East pictures

2017-04-10 Thread william degnan via cctalk
> > VCF East XII was held March 31-April 2. Around 500 people were there. > > Adam Michlin's pictures: http://ceos.io/vcf/east/ > > Dave Riley's pictures: > http://oscar.the-rileys.net/VCF%20East%20XII%20Photos/ > > Dan Roganti's pictures: http://www.rogtronics.net/blog/?page_id=730 > > Mike Loewen

Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?)

2017-04-10 Thread Charles Anthony via cctalk
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Dave via cctalk wrote: > I have a Harris RTX-2000 based system control board for a long defunct > system. The board worked when removed more than 20 years ago in the mid > 90's. The RTX-2000 is a stack-based processor designed for running FORTH. > I think it wa

RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?)

2017-04-10 Thread Dave via cctalk
I have a Harris RTX-2000 based system control board for a long defunct system.  The board worked when removed more than 20 years ago in the mid 90's.  The RTX-2000 is a stack-based processor designed for running FORTH.  I think it was designed by Phil Koopman based on his graduate work.  The boa

Re: VCF East pictures

2017-04-10 Thread Brad H via cctalk
Thanks so much to everyone sharing these.  Ive not renewed my passport in a while and can't get to any of these events in the US so I really appreciate these.  Maybe someday we can get a 360/VR type tour thing going. Sent from my Samsung device Original message From: Ev

Re: Another unknown frontpanel

2017-04-10 Thread william degnan via cctalk
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Christian Corti via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Hi, > > I have another frontpanel, this one is from Plessey Peripheral Systems and > must come from a 16 bit system. It's only the board with LEDs and switches. > Does anyone know the system this panel c

Another unknown frontpanel

2017-04-10 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
Hi, I have another frontpanel, this one is from Plessey Peripheral Systems and must come from a 16 bit system. It's only the board with LEDs and switches. Does anyone know the system this panel comes from? http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pics/temp/plessey_fp.jpg Christian

VCF East pictures

2017-04-10 Thread Evan Koblentz via cctalk
VCF East XII was held March 31-April 2. Around 500 people were there. Adam Michlin's pictures: http://ceos.io/vcf/east/ Dave Riley's pictures: http://oscar.the-rileys.net/VCF%20East%20XII%20Photos/ Dan Roganti's pictures: http://www.rogtronics.net/blog/?page_id=730 Mike Loewen's pictures: ht

Re: DEC wall plates, cables

2017-04-10 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk
Sorry for the confusion. The bracket can take up to 4 cables, and the part # is H3111. It candles both MJ, MJJ (offset), coax ,etc. Close to what you can be at a store, but is says "DIGITAL" on it. The cable is plain old MJ I'm trying to post pictures, but need to dump them somewhere. On Sun,