Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Rod Smallwood > All computer computer languages are only as good or bad as the person > using them. True words. I'd rather work on a program written in assembly language, done by a _really good_ programmer, than a program written in _anything_, done by a bad one. (My classic e

WTB: BYT-8 Computer/Chassis

2017-04-13 Thread Systems Glitch via cctalk
All, I'm on the virge of making a deal with vintagecomputermuseum on eBay over his BYT-8 he's had up for years. It's still overpriced but I can probably sell the boards out of it and make it a reasonable purchase. I already have a board set so really I just need the empty chassis. Before I com

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Diane Bruce via cctalk
I've always said a bad programmer can write bad code in any language. That said, language features that help a good programmer write better code go a long way. - Diane On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 08:04:22AM -0400, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > From: Rod Smallwood > > > All computer com

Re: WTB: BYT-8 Computer/Chassis

2017-04-13 Thread Parent Allison via cctalk
On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Systems Glitch via cctalk wrote: > All, > > I'm on the virge of making a deal with vintagecomputermuseum on eBay over his > BYT-8 he's had up for years. It's still overpriced but I can probably sell > the boards out of it and make it a reasonable purchase. I alre

Re: WTB: BYT-8 Computer/Chassis

2017-04-13 Thread william degnan via cctalk
Yes, I should be here both days. Just let me know / text/call when to be attentive to your arrival. Bill On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Parent Allison via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Systems Glitch via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > >

Re: WTB: BYT-8 Computer/Chassis

2017-04-13 Thread Systems Glitch via cctalk
> Whats the big deal with that? Its no more significant than a Compupro > chassis or a Integrand box in the S100 realm. I just like the size and configuration. I've been looking for one for a while, it seems they were sort of common at one point. They were whitelabeled by Bell & Howell (educat

Soviet PDP-11/J11 Clones

2017-04-13 Thread Shoppa, Tim via cctalk
Terry Kennedy has recently put up some gorgeous pictures of PDP-11, especially J11, Russian clone chips and Russian clone CPU boards at https://www.glaver.org/blog/?p=959 Great commentary, too! Tim N3QE

Re: Soviet PDP-11/J11 Clones

2017-04-13 Thread Tomasz Rola via cctalk
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 03:08:47PM +, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk wrote: > Terry Kennedy has recently put up some gorgeous pictures of PDP-11, > especially J11, Russian clone chips and Russian clone CPU boards at > > https://www.glaver.org/blog/?p=959 > > Great commentary, too! > > Tim N3QE Th

Re: Micral - France

2017-04-13 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 04/13/2017 12:15 AM, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: >From earlest days: Here in France and saw a Micral…Now there’s a classic computer. Originated in 1973; 8008 :) :) Happy computing all! Murray :) I built an 8008 CPU quite some years ago. I had all of 256 bytes of memory on it, an

Re: WTB: BYT-8 Computer/Chassis

2017-04-13 Thread Doug Salot via cctalk
I have the version labeled "Olson 8080" with full front panel (toggles and blinkenlights!).Too cute to sell. :) On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Systems Glitch via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Whats the big deal with that? Its no more significant than a Compupro > chassis or a

Re: WTB: DEC Rainbow Expansion Memory

2017-04-13 Thread shadoooo via cctalk
Hello, I'm in the pretty same condition, I have a Rainbow 100B without memory expansion. Not sure however, about the correct board number, which would fit the 100B. What should I search for? Thanks Andrea

RE: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Rich Alderson via cctalk
From: allison Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:18 PM > BASIC, why is that the most universal language implemented on nearly every > micro and many other systems. Because it was the language offered on the GEIS timesharing system when a private boys' school in Seattle decided to teach programming

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/13/2017 12:30 PM, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: > From: allison Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:18 PM > >> BASIC, why is that the most universal language implemented on >> nearly every micro and many other systems. > > Because it was the language offered on the GEIS timesharing system >

RE: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Thu, 13 Apr 2017, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: From: allison Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:18 PM BASIC, why is that the most universal language implemented on nearly every micro and many other systems. Because it was the language offered on the GEIS timesharing system when a privat

RE: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Thu, 13 Apr 2017, geneb via cctalk wrote: On Thu, 13 Apr 2017, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: From: allison Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:18 PM BASIC, why is that the most universal language implemented on nearly every micro and many other systems. Because it was the language offer

RE: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Thu, 13 Apr 2017, geneb via cctalk wrote: On Thu, 13 Apr 2017, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: From: allison Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:18 PM BASIC, why is that the most universal language implemented on nearly every micro and many other systems. Because it was the language offer

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2017-Apr-13, at 1:24 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 04/13/2017 12:30 PM, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: >> From: allison Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:18 PM >> >>> BASIC, why is that the most universal language implemented on >>> nearly every micro and many other systems. >> >> Be

Re: Looking for PDP-8 G603 "Memory Selector Matrix" boards (or dec T-2052 transformers)

2017-04-13 Thread Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk
I realize it's a long shot, but does anyone have: - Any spare T-2052s (or know of a source) - Any idea what the T-2052 *was* so I can try to replace them. I haven't found much detail as of yet. Good news on this front! I had previously obtained a data sheet for the T2037, a similar transfor

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/13/2017 02:19 PM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: > While one might argue the proliferation of BASIC on micros followed > from BG/PA & SW/SJ, I'd say their implementations were following a > trend rather than initiating it. BASIC was gaining prominence prior > to their implementations of it.

APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2017-04-13 6:54 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 04/13/2017 02:19 PM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: While one might argue the proliferation of BASIC on micros followed from BG/PA & SW/SJ, I'd say their implementations were following a trend rather than initiating it. BASIC was gaining

Re: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-13 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/12/2017 10:13 PM, Scott Kevill via cctalk wrote: > Descriptions are in French, but Google Translate works well enough. > > Model I Buffered EI Cable (40 to 40 pin): > http://prof-80.fr/carte-tandy-1700077-c/buffered-ei-cable > http://prof-80.fr/carte-tandy-1700077-c/buffered-ei-cable/prototy

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Jerry Weiss via cctalk
> On Apr 13, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 04/13/2017 12:30 PM, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: >> From: allison Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:18 PM >> >>> BASIC, why is that the most universal language implemented on >>> nearly every micro and many other systems

Re: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-13 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Model I Hard Disk Adapter (40 to 50 pin): http://prof-80.fr/interface-hd-modele-1-n-26-1132 On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Nope, it's none of those. Can you describe in what ways it differs?

APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk
Toby Thain via cctalk wrote on Thu, 13 Apr 2017 19:34:08 -0400 > On 2017-04-13 6:54 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > So, whence APL today? > > Still lives on -- Dyalog, J, K, etc. Recently discovered the #jsoftware > channel on Freenode for APL fans. I consider Matlab and Julia to be spirit

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/13/2017 05:47 PM, Jerry Weiss wrote: > Then my dad got transferred to Chicago and that high school had > “access” to IITRAN. By access, that meant punching cards, and > waiting for the teacher to load in batch and waiting for the results. > > > Losing the interactive aspect overshadowed t

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Jerry Weiss via cctalk
> On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 04/13/2017 05:47 PM, Jerry Weiss wrote: > >> Then my dad got transferred to Chicago and that high school had >> “access” to IITRAN. By access, that meant punching cards, and >> waiting for the teacher to load in batch and w

Re: APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Eric Christopherson via cctalk
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk wrote: > Toby Thain via cctalk wrote on Thu, 13 Apr 2017 19:34:08 -0400 > > On 2017-04-13 6:54 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > > So, whence APL today? > > > > Still lives on -- Dyalog, J, K, etc. Recently discovered the #jsoftware > > cha

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Don North via cctalk
On 4/13/2017 7:42 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 04/13/2017 05:47 PM, Jerry Weiss wrote: Then my dad got transferred to Chicago and that high school had “access” to IITRAN. By access, that meant punching cards, and waiting for the teacher to load in batch and waiting for the results. L

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/13/2017 09:05 PM, Don North wrote: > I especially liked the Spanish language version of IITRAN: > http://www.ak6dn.com/stuff/spantran.pdf That does look like a TTY session. But the use of "hacer" (infinitive) for "DO" is puzzling. I would have made it the imperitive "haga". --Chuck

Re: WTB: DEC Rainbow Expansion Memory

2017-04-13 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 12:00 PM, shad via cctech wrote: > Hello, > I'm in the pretty same condition, I have a Rainbow 100B without memory > expansion. > Not sure however, about the correct board number, which would fit the 100B. > What should I search for? The DEC part numbers for these are

Re: Looking for PDP-8 G603 "Memory Selector Matrix" boards (or dec T-2052 transformers)

2017-04-13 Thread Pete Lancashire via cctalk
Using a t-2052 build up a test fixture, a pulse generator and​ a oscilloscope and if have access to one a high bandwidth current probe. Use the 2052s you have, record the curves etc and then make up some test transformers. -Pete component engineer in a former life. On Apr 13, 2017 3:36 PM, "Vince