Re: 18 bit CPU; was: Speed now & then

2018-04-12 Thread ben via cctalk
On 4/12/2018 6:51 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 04/12/2018 03:16 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: Well I have one better with my cpu, a char is -128 to 384. Care to elaborate on why such a lopsided range? --Chuck OK, you forced me to go back to 8 bit unsigned bytes. Not really, but having 8

Re: 18 bit CPU; was: Speed now & then

2018-04-12 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/12/2018 03:16 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > > Well I have one better with my cpu, a char is -128 to 384. Care to elaborate on why such a lopsided range? --Chuck

Re: 18 bit CPU; was: Speed now & then

2018-04-12 Thread ben via cctalk
On 4/12/2018 7:55 AM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: On 2018-04-12 7:48 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 04/12/2018 02:45 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 04/11/2018 06:38 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 04/11/2018 02:48 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: I have a nice 18 bit cpu her

Re: Speed now & then

2018-04-12 Thread ben via cctalk
On 4/12/2018 5:08 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On 11 April 2018 at 17:18, Jay West wrote: Liam wrote... https://danluu.com/input-lag/ Hey thanks for that link... fun read! High praise indeed! :-) You're very welcome. But that assumes local character echoing, I am sure the google "sear

Re: Speed now & then (Space and time?)

2018-04-12 Thread ben via cctalk
On 4/11/2018 10:06 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 6:04 PM, ben wrote: On 4/11/2018 5:21 PM, Eric Smith wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:48 PM, ben via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: The FREE fpga development software is only under windows. Xilin

Nice Video on the Hershey Fonts

2018-04-12 Thread Shoppa, Tim via cctalk
Very nice presentation by Frank Griesshammer on the subject of the Hershey Fonts: https://vimeo.com/153653610 He does a superb job explaining how a font invented in 1967 by a mathematical physicist at a US Weapons Lab became essential for the last 40 years of technical writing. And is also an

Re: 18 bit CPU; was: Speed now & then

2018-04-12 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/12/2018 01:37 PM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: > And, if memory serves, the ":" was coded as a null character, causing it to > disappear from the end of a line. It depended on which character set you were using. The CDC 63-character set didn't use 00, except as an EOL. Colon was octal

Re: 18 bit CPU; was: Speed now & then

2018-04-12 Thread Charles Anthony via cctalk
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 04/12/2018 06:23 AM, Diane Bruce wrote: > > \ > I could see lots of problems doing it any other way, just from the > viewpoint of 'C'. A character on the Cyber 70/170 series is either 6 > bits or 12 bits,

sizes and negative ints (Was: 18 bit CPU; was: Speed now & then

2018-04-12 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
So, it should be pretty straightforward unless you assume that a char is 8 bits, with a signed char having a range of +/-255. Signed 8 bits would be  -128 to +127. Well, he had previously mentioned NINE bits per character. Besides, 9 bits and 18 bits improves the convenience of using octal

Re: Speed now & then (Space and time?)

2018-04-12 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 04/12/2018 05:58 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On 11 April 2018 at 23:48, ben wrote: The FREE fpga development software is only under windows. Some of the older Xilinx software (required to create config files for their older FPGA chips) will not run on a 64-bit platform (either Lin

Re: Speed now & then (Space and time?)

2018-04-12 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 04/12/2018 05:57 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On 11 April 2018 at 20:21, Ethan Dicks wrote: I totally agree. I read faster than most people talk and I retain more information. I'd much rather read 1,000 words than watch a 3 minute video. Strongly agreed. Yes, me too! I HATE these

Re: 18 bit CPU; was: Speed now & then

2018-04-12 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/12/2018 06:23 AM, Diane Bruce wrote: > Amusingly years ago I worked for Computing Devices Canada that used some > CDC computers. I was told through a very reliable source that they > got Unix ported to the Cyber by SoftQuad based in Toronto. They were > well known as a 'troff house' at this

Re: 18 bit CPU; was: Speed now & then

2018-04-12 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2018-04-12 7:48 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > > On 04/12/2018 02:45 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> On 04/11/2018 06:38 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >>> On 04/11/2018 02:48 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: >>> I have a nice 18 bit cpu here, with only a few hardware bugs. >>

Re: 18 bit CPU; was: Speed now & then

2018-04-12 Thread Diane Bruce via cctalk
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 07:16:58AM -0500, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 11:45:07PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > Looks pretty much like standard C until you get into the minutiae, such > > as "A character constant is 1 to 4 characters" and page 4-4 "Data Types"

Re: 18 bit CPU; was: Speed now & then

2018-04-12 Thread Mark Linimon via cctalk
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 11:45:07PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > Looks pretty much like standard C until you get into the minutiae, such > as "A character constant is 1 to 4 characters" and page 4-4 "Data Types" > (9 bit characters and 36 bit ints and 18 bit short ints). > > So, it should

Re: 18 bit CPU; was: Speed now & then

2018-04-12 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 04/12/2018 02:45 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 04/11/2018 06:38 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> On 04/11/2018 02:48 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: >> >>> I have a nice 18 bit cpu here, with only a few hardware bugs. >>> Hmm would it work better if I change that around ideas. >>> >>> C

Re: Speed now & then

2018-04-12 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On 11 April 2018 at 17:18, Jay West wrote: > Liam wrote... > https://danluu.com/input-lag/ > > Hey thanks for that link... fun read! High praise indeed! :-) You're very welcome. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@g

Re: Speed now & then (Space and time?)

2018-04-12 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On 11 April 2018 at 23:48, ben wrote: > The FREE fpga development software is only under windows. WINE works well now. I write in Word 97 under WINE on 64-bit Ubuntu. Works a treat, blindingly fast, and unlike any Linux tool I can find, it has a working outliner. VMs are almost trivially easy,

Re: Speed now & then (Space and time?)

2018-04-12 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On 11 April 2018 at 20:21, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > I totally agree. I read faster than most people talk and I retain > more information. I'd much rather read 1,000 words than watch a 3 > minute video. Strongly agreed. > Not surprising given how many generations have now grown up watching > TV a

Re: Speed now & then (Space and time?)

2018-04-12 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 03:48:20PM -0600, ben via cctalk wrote: [...] > The FREE fpga development software is only under windows. Altera's Quartus II and Xilinx ISE also have Linux versions. They're as free as the Windows versions.