On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 at 00:48, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> The Honda 600 was NOT a bike. Well, mostly not. After demise of the mid
> 1960s Honda S600/S800 ("poor-man's-Ferrari" design exercise that got out
> of hand and went into production), Honda engineers took a 360CC parallel
> twin, detun
Michael Thompson wrote:
> Please visit us at the Rhode Island Computer Museum. About 60 miles south
> of boaton.
> http://www.ricomputermuseum.org/
If I do, I'd expect ITS to be up and running before I left.
Do you have anything for KS10 networking? IMP, Chaos, Ethernet?
On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, W2HX via cctalk wrote:
All that "fragmentation" to me was wonderful. Different models,
different capabilities it was magical!
There are two different interpretations of "fragmentation".
Both are implicitly negative.
"Any color you want, as long as it is black" (1909) saves
Glen Slick via cctalk wrote:
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Carlos E Murillo-Sanchez via cctalk
wrote:
Interesting. HP made ISA card versions of early (or actually, pre-)
HP9000-300 that were designated as "Basic Language Processors", hosting a
68000 and having GPIB I/O. Interesting beasts.
W2HX via cctalk wrote:
The first personal computer I ever came in contact with was the TRS-80 Model 1
(Level II) at a friend of my father's in Long Island around 1979. I learned to
program basic at his house and practiced during the summer at my junior high
school that had a few Model 1's for
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Carlos E Murillo-Sanchez via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Interesting. HP made ISA card versions of early (or actually, pre-)
> HP9000-300 that were designated as "Basic Language Processors", hosting a
> 68000 and having GPIB I/O. Interesting beasts. I believe that they wer
Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 15:59 Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
I believe the Z-80 was subordinate to the M68K.
In high-level conceptual term, maybe, depending on the software.
In term of the actual capabilities of the hardware, the Z80 was
The first personal computer I ever came in contact with was the TRS-80 Model 1
(Level II) at a friend of my father's in Long Island around 1979. I learned to
program basic at his house and practiced during the summer at my junior high
school that had a few Model 1's for kids to work with. The sc
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 7:18 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> D'ya mean like an automobile company making more than one model? Surely
> there is no need for Toyota to make both a Corolla AND a Camry!
>
>
Hmm... not really sure about that comparison. After all, it's no
TRS-80 Model II and 16, 68k based "business" machines
The Models II and 12 were Z80 based machines. The models 16 and 6000 were the
same Z80 based machines with 68k subsystems added via additional cards to allow
them to run Xenix.
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Geoff Oltmans via cctalk wrote:
D'oh! I
>
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 19:17:18 +1000
> From: Huw Davies
> Subject: Visiting Boston - Classic computer recommendations
>
> I?m in Boston MA (technically Canton) for the next three weeks (April 29
> to May 19). Looking for recommendations on classic computer/classic
> car/sailing things of inte
I believe the Z-80 was subordinate to the M68K.
On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
In high-level conceptual term, maybe, depending on the software.
In term of the actual capabilities of the hardware, the Z80 was firmly in
control of _everything_ in the machine, including control
Al, following up on this thread from February, in case you are still looking, I
just came across my copies of:
- Z-29 Uers's & Technical Guide (1983)
- Z-29 ASCII character and escape code chart
Despite the claim to be a "Technical" guide, the above is really more of a user
manual, containi
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 15:59 Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I believe the Z-80 was subordinate to the M68K.
In high-level conceptual term, maybe, depending on the software.
In term of the actual capabilities of the hardware, the Z80 was firmly in
control of _everyth
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Geoffrey Oltmans via cctalk wrote:
common architecture. Do you think that if they had, say, revised and
extended the Model I system to color/80 column that the rest would have
been mostly redundant?
D'ya mean like an automobile company making more than one model? Surely
t
> On Apr 26, 2018, at 4:51 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
>> On Apr 26, 2018, at 14:25, Geoffrey Oltmans via cctalk
>> wrote:
>>
>> TRS-80 Model II and 16, 68k based "business" machines
>
> The Models II and 12 were Z80 based machines. The models 16 and 6000 were the
> same Z8
SMECC WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ALL Thanks Ed
In a message dated 4/22/2018 10:22:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
I also have a few others listed:
ADINTS
https://www.ebay.com/itm/132588526929
IBM 1401/707
https://www.ebay.com/itm/132581434367
IBM System/3
htt
I do have a workslate! Odd portable... Thin we have a printer too for it?
Ed# www.smecc.org
In a message dated 4/26/2018 2:56:41 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
> > TRS-80 Model 100, 102, 200 (rebadged Kyoceras)
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk
I had to choose between buying not skimping on groceries V a Mini-Cooper-S
(needed a little work) V Honda 600 V TRS80. Did I make the right choice?
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Liam Proven wrote:
I'd go for a bike over a car any day. Well, when I was young, anyway. Now,
I'm getting kinda stiff and cre
On 04/26/2018 05:58 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>
> On 04/26/2018 05:51 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote:
>>> On Apr 26, 2018, at 14:25, Geoffrey Oltmans via cctalk
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> TRS-80 Model II and 16, 68k based "business" machines
>> The Models II and 12 were Z80 based machines
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 at 23:30, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote:
> I don't know what it's like around your home, but most places in the US
aren't terribly bike friendly. Since the advent of texting and smart phones
even less so. Still, I keep thinking I should trade my one way 4 mile car
commute for a bike
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 at 19:54, Geoff Oltmans wrote:
> I think you'd find a few people this side of the pond whose first
computer was a Timex Sinclair 1000 (our equivalent of the ZX81). I know
that was true in our household... My dad purchased one brand-new at
Albertson's (a supermarket chain in th
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 at 16:55, Zane Healy wrote:
> My first computer was supposed to be a ZX81. I worked all Summer
painting the house to earn it. As it happens, my payment was a VIC-20 with
a tape recorder.
I guess the VIC had colour and sound, but that 22-column screen always
looked too much
On 04/26/2018 05:51 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote:
>> On Apr 26, 2018, at 14:25, Geoffrey Oltmans via cctalk
>> wrote:
>>
>> TRS-80 Model II and 16, 68k based "business" machines
> The Models II and 12 were Z80 based machines. The models 16 and 6000 were the
> same Z80 based machines with
> TRS-80 Model 100, 102, 200 (rebadged Kyoceras)
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
But... i have yet to see a Kyocera... Ed#
NEC 8201, Olivetti M10 were more of the Kyoto Ceramics machines.
NEC was about 3/8" thicker, but had much more expansion capability.
8085, 8x40 LC
> On Apr 26, 2018, at 14:25, Geoffrey Oltmans via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> TRS-80 Model II and 16, 68k based "business" machines
The Models II and 12 were Z80 based machines. The models 16 and 6000 were the
same Z80 based machines with 68k subsystems added via additional cards to allow
them to ru
But... i have yet to see a Kyocera... Ed#
In a message dated 4/26/2018 2:25:47 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
TRS-80 Model 100, 102, 200 (rebadged Kyoceras)
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 at 23:04, Fred Cisin via cctalk >
> wrote:
>
> I'd go for a bike over a car any day. Well, when I was young, anyway. Now,
> I'm getting kinda stiff and creaky... Because of all the bike c
> On 26 Apr 2018, at 22:13, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> Those Microdrives were such a Cheese design.
>>>
>>
>> The American Cheese Socie
It is obvious that the TRS-80 line of computers suffered severe
fragmentation with differing architectures:
TRS-80 Model I, III, and 4(P) are all obviously of a mostly compatible
architecture.
TRS-80 Model II and 16, 68k based "business" machines
TRS-80 CoCo I, II, III (Dragon)
TRS-80 PC-x, variou
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 at 23:04, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> Neither "first", nor "sub-$1000"
> Apple][ was $1298, and discounts were very rare.
> TRS-80 at $599 was less than half the price.
> Pet at $795 was barely more than half the price.
The TRS-80 line barely sold over here, so I tend to
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
>
>> Those Microdrives were such a Cheese design.
>>
>
> The American Cheese Society (industry association) would probably resent
> that comparison
I was ref
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Apple][ was $1298, and discounts were very rare.
> TRS-80 at $599 was less than half the price.
> Pet at $795 was barely more than half the price.
>
By connecting a CCTV monitor, I got my TRS80 new for $399.
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
Those Microdrives were such a Cheese design.
The American Cheese Society (industry association) would probably resent
that comparison.
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 at 22:41, TeoZ via cctalk wrote:
> My first computer was a Timex 2068 just before Timex got out of
computers. I
> had seen advertisements for the 1000 model but it looked like junk at the
> time (no real keyboard, you needed to have the 16K RAM cart to do
anything).
> Still th
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 2:37 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The QL was a weird machine. It predated the Mac by a matter of weeks and in
> crude spec terms was comparable -- 128 kB RAM, 68008 vs 68000, 2 x 100 kB
> Microdrives versus 1 x 400 kB floppy. The QL did sound
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
A lengthy interview with the later great Rick Dickinson, product designer
of basically every Sinclair computer, who sadly died of cancer on Tuesday.
https://medium.com/@ghalfacree/an-interview-with-rick-dickinson-3fea60537338
He not only did the
My first computer was a Timex 2068 just before Timex got out of computers. I
had seen advertisements for the 1000 model but it looked like junk at the
time (no real keyboard, you needed to have the 16K RAM cart to do anything).
Still the 1000 was CHEAP.
When I vacationed in Greece for a summer
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 at 21:33, Mark J. Blair via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Over here in the US, I remember seeing the Sinclair QL in a magazine
(probably Byte?) and thinking it looked exotic and interesting. I thought
the little tape drives looked neat, and didn’t know enough to appr
Over here in the US, I remember seeing the Sinclair QL in a magazine (probably
Byte?) and thinking it looked exotic and interesting. I thought the little tape
drives looked neat, and didn’t know enough to appreciate how much better a
floppy drive would have made the system.
I have no regrets at
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 at 19:26, Adrian Graham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> My first was a ZX80 which my Dad borrowed from my physics teacher at
school. That spurred me on to get my own ZX81 which had just come out, then
the Research Machines 380Z at later school, then the 48K ZXSpect
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 at 19:17, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:
> Very interesting to see this perspective from the UK!
Oh good. :-)
> Located in the U.S. (Washington, D.C), I started with an Apple II+ in
1979 as a 12 year old.
This confirms the sort of thing I read. US users had specifications of kit
w
> On Apr 26, 2018, at 7:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> I know this is a rather USA-centric list, so probably most of you started
> off with things like the Apple II, the first sub-$1000 home computer. But
> in Britain and Europe back then, we were a lot poorer, and $1000 was an
> im
> On 26 Apr 2018, at 13:47, Liam Proven via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> I think if you ask virtually any British person in their late 30s, 40s or
> 50s, in anything connected with IT, what their first computer was, the
> answer would be a ZX 81 or a ZX Spectrum. It was the single range of
> machines th
On 4/26/2018 11:46 AM, Liam Proven via
cctalk wrote:
Personally, the $99 Timex 1000 was the only computer I could have afforded
back then. Schools had Apple II's but not so many people in their homes
then, at least where I lived.
That's very cool. Thanks for sharing.
I knew the TS1000 (and
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 at 17:55, Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
> There was a very large Timex 1000 / ZX81 user base in the US. I have
quite
> a lot of newsletters and documents from these groups. I even did an
exhibit
> on the subject of SIGs for the Timex 1000 ZX81 at VCF MW a few years ago.
>
Easier solution is to apply some conductive light lube. Radio Shack used to
carry it, and I repaired a LOT of remote controls with it!
Cindy
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There was a very large Timex 1000 / ZX81 user base in the US. I have quite
a lot of newsletters and documents from these groups. I even did an exhibit
on the subject of SIGs for the Timex 1000 ZX81 at VCF MW a few years ago.
You can see stacks of newsletters in stands flanking the machines and
t
> On Apr 26, 2018, at 5:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> He not only did the ZX 80, ZX 81, ZX Spectrum and the QL, but also the Z88,
> the Spectrum Next and others -- along with a lot of other stuff.
>
> I know this is a rather USA-centric list, so probably most of you started
> off
Just to add some info to the excellent Liam's post, it was a revolution in
south america too. The first computers in Brazil were ZX80 clones (TK82C is
a ZX80 clone, not a ZX81...ZX81 were cloned just in the TK85 computer) and
it was a revolution! I was a very poor guy, my father was a Militar Polic
A lengthy interview with the later great Rick Dickinson, product designer
of basically every Sinclair computer, who sadly died of cancer on Tuesday.
https://medium.com/@ghalfacree/an-interview-with-rick-dickinson-3fea60537338
He not only did the ZX 80, ZX 81, ZX Spectrum and the QL, but also the
I’m in Boston MA (technically Canton) for the next three weeks (April 29 to May
19). Looking for recommendations on classic computer/classic car/sailing things
of interest to do on the weekends.
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