Re: VCFMW

2018-09-21 Thread Jason T via cctalk
VCFMW13 Talks & Presentations videos are up! Here's a YouTube playlist with all of them for this year: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE-Iywr9LQERoM2Iy6EeO9ln5SdFnmnsW

Fall cleaning - 9-track drives available

2018-09-21 Thread Bob Rosenbloom via cctalk
I have four 9-track tape drives, and a dirty DEC rack, that I need to get rid of. Two of the drives are HP 7970B's. One has the door unattached. Then there's a Kennedy 9100 800/1600 bpi drive. Very heavy.  As found, none tested by me. Just don't have time to play with them. Last is a CDC

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Alexandre Souza > What about a nuclear bomb? OK, if we're going to start being _really_ silly. drop them into a singularity! :-) The best part is that you'll get to watch them being ripped apart and destroyed by tidal forces _forever_ (since time dilation means that as they

Re: DEC H744 +5 supply

2018-09-21 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2018-Sep-21, at 4:03 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: >> From: Brent Hilpert > >> In typical "down-converters" there are additional current paths in the >> supply, paralleling the input path, that can provide the 'additional' >> electron flow rate. ... the whole rationale of a switching

Re: DEC H744 +5 supply

2018-09-21 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2018-Sep-21, at 4:03 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: >> From: Brent Hilpert > >> If the heatsinks seem huge compared to modern day supplies, that's more >> likely the result of technology improvements - faster devices, and >> moving from bipolar switching transistors to mosfets. Bipolar >>

Re: DEC H744 +5 supply

2018-09-21 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2018-Sep-21, at 3:20 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: >> From: Mattis Lind > >> The H744 is a buck converter. You can read about buck converters here: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_converter > > Wow, that was incredibly hard to read; no clear and simple explanation of the > basic

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Alexandre Souza via cctalk
What about a nuclear bomb? 2018-09-21 20:05 GMT-03:00 dwight via cctalk : > I'd think a nice blast with a oxy-acetylene torch should do what is > needed. Even if it doesn't melt the disk, it will surely exceed the Currie > point and all data is gone. > > Dwight > > >

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread dwight via cctalk
I'd think a nice blast with a oxy-acetylene torch should do what is needed. Even if it doesn't melt the disk, it will surely exceed the Currie point and all data is gone. Dwight From: cctalk on behalf of Jerry Weiss via cctalk Sent: Friday, September 21,

Re: DEC H744 +5 supply

2018-09-21 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Brent Hilpert > In typical "down-converters" there are additional current paths in the > supply, paralleling the input path, that can provide the 'additional' > electron flow rate. ... the whole rationale of a switching supply is to > use time (varying switching

Re: DEC H744 +5 supply

2018-09-21 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2018-Sep-21, at 1:03 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > Oh, one thing I forgot to include: > >> a lot of the incoming power in that 30V AC has to be thrown away, in >> producing +5V. > > So, if my understanding is correct, the 'switching' H744 really isn't much > better than a classic

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Steve Malikoff via cctalk
Noel said > > From: Eric Smith > > > That's way too good for these

Re: DEC H744 +5 supply

2018-09-21 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Mattis Lind > The H744 is a buck converter. You can read about buck converters here: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_converter Wow, that was incredibly hard to read; no clear and simple explanation of the basic concept of how it works, before getting into the details!

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Jerry Weiss via cctalk
On 9/21/18 1:06 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2018, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: That's way too good for these

Re: DEC H744 +5 supply

2018-09-21 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
> > * If you supply a link & location to a schematic I'll take a look, I don't > feel like wading around in bitsavers pdfs to try to find it right now. page 207 of: http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/pdp11/1140/PDP-1140_System_Engr_Drawings_Rev_P_Jun74.pdf

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread dwight via cctalk
All the molten lava is done. You could still smash it with a lava rock. Dwight From: cctalk on behalf of Chuck Guzis via cctalk Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 11:36:25 AM To: Fred Cisin via cctalk Subject: Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate

Re: DEC H744 +5 supply

2018-09-21 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > My understanding is that, without using a transformer (which creates an > independent circuit loop - more below), there's no way to increase the > _amperage_ out of circuit over what's fed into it: since

Re: DEC H744 +5 supply

2018-09-21 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2018-Sep-21, at 12:38 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > So there's something about the H744 I'm not sure I understand; hopefully those > with more analog-fu will set me straight if I'm confused. > > This supply runs off 20-30V AC. It takes the input AC, rectifies it, and runs > it

GE2149G206 Bit slice CPU??

2018-09-21 Thread Holm Tiffe via cctalk
Hi all, I've got an VME Bus sized CPU or GPU Board out of ebay a while before, it is equipped with 4 pcs of AM29203 Slices and an AM2910A Sequencer. It sems to be a german Product. The Sticker on one of the DIN 96 Connectors states: GE2149G206 WNr. 10488 Grund- Baugruppe Does anyone know what

looking for out-of-print computer book

2018-09-21 Thread billr--- via cctalk
Hi folks, I am trying to find an out-of-print tech book for a research project I'm doing. The book is called Porting Macintosh Applications to Windows 95 and NT by Greg Stone, dated December 1996, ISBN 0471118516, published by Wiley. It's listed on Amazon but not available; I've searched

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
5) as a test suite for development of thermite (Does Amazon sell pre-made thermite?) On Fri, 21 Sep 2018, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: Mostly #6, and a little bit of #5. I'd be delighted to offer "retaliation in kind for the SS damage of drives of Steve Jackson Games", but I don't think

Re: DEC H744 +5 supply

2018-09-21 Thread Mattis Lind via cctalk
The H744 is a buck converter. You can read about buck converters here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_converter You have a good description there. Den fre 21 sep. 2018 kl 22:03 skrev Noel Chiappa via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org>: > Oh, one thing I forgot to include: > > > a lot of

Re: DEC H744 +5 supply

2018-09-21 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
Oh, one thing I forgot to include: > a lot of the incoming power in that 30V AC has to be thrown away, in > producing +5V. So, if my understanding is correct, the 'switching' H744 really isn't much better than a classic linear supply. It still wastes a very large amount of the input

DEC H744 +5 supply

2018-09-21 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
So there's something about the H744 I'm not sure I understand; hopefully those with more analog-fu will set me straight if I'm confused. This supply runs off 20-30V AC. It takes the input AC, rectifies it, and runs it through a cap to filter out the ripple. What's next is that it's an early

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread allison via cctalk
On 09/21/2018 12:19 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 6:04 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> Or just throw it in the garbage. > > That's way too good for these

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Sep 21, 2018, at 11:16 AM, Eric Smith via cctalk > wrote: > > On the other hand, > > 1) Reduce the likelihood that they will end up on eBay as "Seller >> Refurbished" or "New, other". >> 1b) to put on eBay as "New, other" or "seller refurbished", WITH PICTURES, >> as a commentary on

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Eric Smith > That's way too good for these

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
Anyone headed for Hawaii? It'd be interesting to see what some molten lava would do to one... --Chuck

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Do any of the rifle ranges near Vegas rent use of a Browning 50 caliber machine gun? (or artillery?) Maybe a VERY high powered laser cutter, to cut the letters N F G THROUGH the drives. Convince North Korea that there would be special symbolism to attaching one to the nosecone of each of

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Chris Elmquist via cctalk
On Friday (09/21/2018 at 11:42AM -0600), Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > Put it in a gift-wrapped box next to you on the bus. > > Whoever steals it will get just what they deserve. > > > > :-) > > But

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Eric hasn't specified [and shouldn't have to] as to WHY, > but here are some idle speculations: > Mostly #6, and a little bit of #5. I'd be delighted to offer "retaliation in kind for the SS damage of

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: That's way too good for these

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 12:04:39PM +, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > Or just throw it in the garbage. [...] More satisfying: write "Bitcoins" on it before leaving it lying around somewhere it's likely to get stolen.

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk
On 2018-09-21 13:42, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> Put it in a gift-wrapped box next to you on the bus. >> Whoever steals it will get just what they deserve. >> > > :-) > > But actually I wouldn't

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Put it in a gift-wrapped box next to you on the bus. > Whoever steals it will get just what they deserve. > :-) But actually I wouldn't wish ST3000DM001 drives on my worst enemy!

Re: Buy Herman's house!

2018-09-21 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 07:13:48AM -0700, Donald via cctalk wrote: > Mr. Hollerith's house is available. Is it... a house of cards? Thank you, I'll be here all week.

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Or just throw it in the garbage.  Do you really think people are going thru your stuff looking for data? Put it in a gift-wrapped box next to you on the bus. Whoever steals it will get just what they deserve.

Re: HP 2000 /2100 emulator ?

2018-09-21 Thread Ed Sharpe via cctalk
yea   doing the  same  here  at  SMECC  at  some point we have a  2000 access system  but   probably needs  work and and a  disck  drive and besides  who wants to power and cool it  24/7?   I  need a  couple  extra  front panels I make  blink (  do not  want to mess  with the  ones 

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk
If I wanted to reduce a drive to slag, I’d just put it in a propane furnace (actually the drive would go into the crucible). They generate up to 2700F (~1500C) and they’re for melting gold, silver, copper, etc. So I suspect it would do the job. ;-) Plus you’d a nice molten mess that you can

Re: HP 2000 /2100 emulator ?

2018-09-21 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Pete Lancashire via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > emulate an HP 2000 or even in modern 2100 my goal is nothing serious I'd > love to be able to do HP basic and find the version of Star Trek I think > > If I could have my dream come true the emulator

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Ed Sharpe via cctalk
Hmmm...  OK   take a  giant  sledge and beat the living  hell out  of  it Great  physical release and   data  pretty well   toast... and the sound is glorious!   And  besides you get  some  exercise!   Ed#             In a message dated 9/21/2018 9:20:25 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 6:51 AM, systems_glitch via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Burning of potassium permanganate to manganese greensand will often get it > going. You are on your own for figuring out how to do that. > Multiple sources, including Robert on this list, tell me just to

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 6:04 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Or just throw it in the garbage. That's way too good for these

Re: Beckman DU600 MC68332 SBC (Was: HP CPU32 Emulation Adapter)

2018-09-21 Thread Joseph Zatarski via cctalk
That board came out of the instrument it belongs to (a Beckman DU600), which came out of the trash here. I've put quite a bit of time into reverse engineering the hardware as well as porting and writing some software. The most recent thing I've done with it is port an old version of minix.

HP 2000 /2100 emulator ?

2018-09-21 Thread Pete Lancashire via cctalk
I will soon have a teletype model 35 all cleaned up and running Why like is some suggestions for something I can put in the base and emulate an HP 2000 or even in modern 2100 my goal is nothing serious I'd love to be able to do HP basic and find the version of Star Trek I think that was the name

Buy Herman's house!

2018-09-21 Thread Donald via cctalk
Mr. Hollerith's house is available. https://www.wsj.com/articles/forgotten-tech-pioneers-d-c-estate-asks-almost- 19-million-1537456578?emailToken=bb675bfcb9f6274f6e8c1b05ae28f2344xumjbywJXs AwzIJYvBg3RJlRIZHZMV6ZNib7ahvK98qrcXxNgBADqPZCBCTTSWKSViH7isyQ4Ra78fLGOUMQtm

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Nemo via cctalk
On 20 September 2018 at 23:20, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > Anyone have advice on making thermite? Ingredients, sources, proportions? > NIST SP 800-88 Rev. 1? There is some milspec about sanding the platters that actually specified what grit to use but I do not remember the title. N.

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread drlegendre via cctalk
Take them up to the 'range, around Virginia or Eveleth MN, and pay one of the demo crews to stick the drives at the bottom of their next borehole. Ka-blooey! Nothing left but an artificial bauxite deposit. On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 7:10 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > I can only assume someone

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread systems_glitch via cctalk
Burning of potassium permanganate to manganese greensand will often get it going. You are on your own for figuring out how to do that. Thermite is not the ultimate destructive force some people seem to think it is. If you're trying to totally liquefy the platters you'll probably need to remove

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I can only assume someone is paying you to do this for insurance or legal purposes. There is a good poem, "John Barleycorn Must Die" which has a lot of useful suggestions. bill On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 8:04 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Or just throw it in the

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
Or just throw it in the garbage.  Do you really think people are going thru your stuff looking for data? bill On 09/20/2018 11:37 PM, drlegendre via cctalk wrote: > If you're that intent on firey destruction, it would be much simpler & > safer to use an oxyacetylene cutting torch, or a

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Robert via cctalk
If my memory of O Level chemistry classes is anything to go by, the idea was that you used a piece of Magnesium ribbon to ignite it. I don't recall Manganese Dioxide being part of the recipe. On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 10:20 PM Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > > Anyone have advice on making thermite?

Hitex ICE for Motorola 68hc11

2018-09-21 Thread Carlo Pisani via cctalk
hi has anyone ever used Hitex ICE for Motorola 68hc11? if so, with which software? cheers

Re: HP CPU32 Emulation Adapter

2018-09-21 Thread Carlo Pisani via cctalk
> But, I've got one of these: > https://hackaday.io/project/6150-beckman-du600-reverse-engineering hi where did you find it? here I have an EVS board, by motorola :P

Re: Advice requested on proper disposal of Seagate ST3000DM001 disk drives

2018-09-21 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
Be aware that a cheap way of making fairly pure oxygen is just by heating up manganese dioxide, which will cause anything that is a like a flame to burn much hotter. I remember doing an experiment in grade school where you heat up a tablespoonfull of MD in a test tube with an alcohol burner or